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Post by Splendid Spy on Aug 22, 2015 19:24:50 GMT
Basti/Carrick and Schneiderlins job isn't to create, it's to dominate possession which they've done in all three. They have indeed dominate possession but what's the point in dominating possession and then having little creativity and lack of bite upfront. Don't get me wrong here. We have definitely strengthen our midfield department but the lack of pace ,creativity and finishing in the final 3rd is a little worrying. We might have gotten 7 points but it could have easily been 2 or 3 points if luck wasn't on our side in the games we have played so far. It's the performance that matters...not the points if we want to move forward. We will get positive results if we play well. We can't be lucky every single time. LVG should stick to the tactics that worked so well for us during the end of last season. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 22, 2015 19:47:09 GMT
Points lead to performances. Today was our best performance yet had a less positive result, this is football.
Come on Eric, we had a run of 4 or 5 games of quality performances last season, we won one of the last six. It wasn't all plain sailing with the 433 plus Fellaini was key in that and he's unavailable at the moment.
Lack of goals is worrying but creativity not for me, I don't know how you can say that when we've created 10 or so chances today again a vast improvement on the 1 or 2 in the previous games. So we are progressing, with more games under their belt together the performances will come.
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Post by Hammy on Aug 22, 2015 20:24:32 GMT
I have been known to criticise our play and manager from time to time  but today I could only pick out our lack of cutting edge up front. Our keeper, although he didn't have too much to do looked pretty comfortable. I thought our defence was superb with both Darmian and Shaw showing us glimpses of a great future with us. Smalling was massive again and has added more aggression to his game and Blind in no way looked out of place. Schneiderlin looks like he will never have a bad game and even though Basti didn't have the best of games it's understandable until he gets used to the pace of the PL. The first half Memphis and Januzaj played well although both faded in the second half. A bit more game time and they'll be alright. I enjoyed watching Mata today. He was the one who always tried to make things happen although it didn't always come off. Put Herrera beside him and watch his game (and the teams) take off. Rooney I won't even comment on but once his position is sorted out the whole team will gel and we'll be scoring goals for fun. Add that cutting edge or change tactics and nobody will want to play against us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 22:43:58 GMT
My god, trawling the net after a disappointing result doesn't half make you question just how stupid our fans are. I've read comfortably 20 comments from fans stating they're losing faith in LVG, people slagging Schneiderlin off claiming he's too defensive and someone stating that Memphis is a one trick pony and we should have kept Nani instead of signing him. These are just a few of the mind numbingly stupid comments I've read in the last 20 minutes.
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Post by spens1 on Aug 23, 2015 1:21:56 GMT
My god, trawling the net after a disappointing result doesn't half make you question just how stupid our fans are. I've read comfortably 20 comments from fans stating they're losing faith in LVG, people slagging Schneiderlin off claiming he's too defensive and someone stating that Memphis is a one trick pony and we should have kept Nani instead of signing him. These are just a few of the mind numbingly stupid comments I've read in the last 20 minutes. huh? no, seriously, what first of all, um thats what we brought Schneiderlin in for, HE'S A DM, one of the best actually, will get us tackles and actually adds grit, fellaini is about the only other one who does that for us and he can be pretty clumsy, plus he isn't nearly the passer schneiderlin is (didn't schneiderlin lead the league in passing percentage last season) and anyone who would rather nani over depay needs their head examined, nani, for all the promise he showed, was really never going to crack the squad, wasn't good enough, its as simple as that. i know our fans are pretty stupid at times but wow, just wow. |
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Post by spens1 on Aug 23, 2015 1:24:21 GMT
also from what i've seen, schniederlin/basti and herrera needs to be the starting CM duo, Carrick on the bench and playing in cup and CL games, schniederlin in the premi and basti in both with herrera the one starting the most seems the ideal thing to do as those three are pretty similar (schniederlin, carrick and basti are all about maintaining posession, whilst herrera is a bit more creative)
LVG really needs to have more faith in Herrera, probably the best CM at the club atm with Schniederlin, and both would compliment each other i am pretty sure of that
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Post by spens1 on Aug 23, 2015 1:29:09 GMT
oh and ffs stop starting blind as the lcb and get rojo in their, its absolutely idiotic that he's insistent on starting at cb despite the fact that we have rojo who is a damn good cb already and probably the best at the club, smalling also has been class. just start those two together for once, please i'm begging you LVG, you don't have to start every dutch player in our squad all at once, especially if one is being played out of position. I would not mind us starting Blind at LB again if we need a bit more defensively, because Shaw is very much like evra, fantastic going forward (scintillating even) but there was times he left the flank exposed, even got owned by Thuvian (was a skillful move)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 1:39:44 GMT
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Post by spens1 on Aug 23, 2015 3:55:07 GMT
ahh, ok that makes sense thanks
was wondering why the hell was going on there
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Post by Splendid Spy on Aug 23, 2015 3:59:13 GMT
Points lead to performances. Today was our best performance yet had a less positive result, this is football. I beg to differ. Performances lead to points. We can agree to disagree here. It's something like the chicken and egg question. The thing that is worrying me and most United fans is the lack of cutting edge upfront. That's why most of us have been saying that signing a striker is of paramount importance at the moment. We might have created chances but we are not finishing them off. |
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Post by Splendid Spy on Aug 23, 2015 4:11:38 GMT
also from what i've seen, schniederlin/basti and herrera needs to be the starting CM duo, Carrick on the bench and playing in cup and CL games, schniederlin in the premi and basti in both with herrera the one starting the most seems the ideal thing to do as those three are pretty similar (schniederlin, carrick and basti are all about maintaining posession, whilst herrera is a bit more creative) LVG really needs to have more faith in Herrera, probably the best CM at the club atm with Schniederlin, and both would compliment each other i am pretty sure of that Yea. Herrera not starting because LVG prefers Schneiderlin and Carrick/Basti is puzzling. IMO Schneiderlin has to start. Look how much ground he covers. he's also breaking up plays and winning possession. IMO, we just need one of these players. People might be saying Basti/ Carrick doesn't play like a DM when Schneiderlin is around but I see them sitting quite deep. When there's a counter and when we are having possession and starting an attack in the opponents half, they are nowhere to be seen. There should be another auxiliary player running into the box to create chaos to our rivals defense. So far from what i have seen, Roo is left isolated up front together with Januzaj who occasionally makes run into the box while Mata or Depay is having possession. We need another 3rd player around the edge of the penalty area when this happens. Could be Herrera or Fellaini. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 6:55:15 GMT
Blind has been superb, I can't fathom how anyone can find time to be moaning about our defence at this moment in time. Rojo will be on the bench when he's fit.
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Post by spens1 on Aug 23, 2015 7:26:47 GMT
also from what i've seen, schniederlin/basti and herrera needs to be the starting CM duo, Carrick on the bench and playing in cup and CL games, schniederlin in the premi and basti in both with herrera the one starting the most seems the ideal thing to do as those three are pretty similar (schniederlin, carrick and basti are all about maintaining posession, whilst herrera is a bit more creative) LVG really needs to have more faith in Herrera, probably the best CM at the club atm with Schniederlin, and both would compliment each other i am pretty sure of that Yea. Herrera not starting because LVG prefers Schneiderlin and Carrick/Basti is puzzling. IMO Schneiderlin has to start. Look how much ground he covers. he's also breaking up plays and winning possession. IMO, we just need one of these players. People might be saying Basti/ Carrick doesn't play like a DM when Schneiderlin is around but I see them sitting quite deep. When there's a counter and when we are having possession and starting an attack in the opponents half, they are nowhere to be seen. There should be another auxiliary player running into the box to create chaos to our rivals defense. So far from what i have seen, Roo is left isolated up front together with Januzaj who occasionally makes run into the box while Mata or Depay is having possession. We need another 3rd player around the edge of the penalty area when this happens. Could be Herrera or Fellaini. i think that other player you are talking about is honestly herrera, he can play that role, fellaini also could i guess when he is on also. Those two are the most obvious solutions, and i agree, Schniederlin has to start Basti and Carrick aren't hard hitting tacklers, both like to sit deep and control the tempo, retain posession, which is good to have, just not sure it is good for us to be starting next to Schniederlin who wins so many tackles, and can pass and control the game himself i wouldn't mind Schweingsteiger and carrick starting in a game where its a bit of a slower paced game, maybe you can go in and try to control the midfield, have fellaini in front of them being that big force, but in fast paced games or games with better midfields, you don't want them starting because those two aren't exactly ball winners |
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Post by spens1 on Aug 23, 2015 7:29:11 GMT
Blind has been superb, I can't fathom how anyone can find time to be moaning about our defence at this moment in time. Rojo will be on the bench when he's fit. he hasn't been bad but it really Blind's best football is not at CB, its not that he has been bad but he has been playing out of position quiet obviously and Rojo is simply better and is a natural left sided CB and the best at the club also Rojo has more going for him physically. Blind could potentially be bullied if he comes across larger opponents, where it will come down to smalling |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 7:37:29 GMT
I don't think Blind has obviously been played out of position at all. From the 4 games he's played so far he's looked like a natural cb. We have a hard enough time keeping our defence fit so we should not meddle with a defence that is playing so well and keeping themselves fit at the same time. I like Rojo but he doesn't have any right whatsoever to just walk into the side now that he's fit.
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