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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2016 21:14:19 GMT
Me Niether, but it's a massive mistake. LVG isn't going to reach top-4. It's becoming more obvious every week as our play deteriorates.
We must at least try to salvage the spirit. What happens when: - we don't have a quality manager because Pep joins City for instance? - the spirit is gone and we're stuck in mid-table with no passion - our quality players want to leave because the football is dull and boring and unchallenging?
At least try to recreate a positive vibe, try to bring excitement back, some passion, some desire so that players and fans can enjoy themselves and this club remains attractive.
What happens when Manchester United becomes synonym of "boring"? of "old-fashioned"? of "poor"? Because that's where we're heading. We have gone as far as we could under LVG. We must change things to stabilize the ship and take a better course. Results may not follow, but they're not going to follow under LVG either anyway.
Give it to Giggs till the end, bring back the old staff and try to recreate that old philosophy that had us win so many title. It's a simple philosophy, really, summed up in 3 points: - attack, attack, attack - work hard - never give up
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 21:19:31 GMT
Giggs was given the assistant's job as a precursor to him eventually taking over. If that is still the plan then it makes no sense to prolong the agony with LVG any further. The only reason I see LVG staying until the end of the season is because they want to go in another direction and get someone more experienced in.
Oh and that's 11 home league games in a row that we've failed to score in the first half.. Appalling.
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2016 21:37:33 GMT
It's not appalling. It's just ridiculous. I hate clubs who are changing managers every year, and I hate the fact we're doing it, but the board have failed miserably in preparing for SAF's transition. Moyes was a failure, LVG gave us some hope in the second part of last season, but this year has been a massive collapse largely due to his stubborness.
Didn't Einstein say something along the lines of: "insanity is repeating a process every time and hoping the results will be different"? Now Louis, you should trust Einstein about that, surely?
We have nothing to lose in giving Giggs the job, at least until the end of the season if we want to wait for Pep for instance (or someone else).
But in all fairness, I am starting to really like the idea of appointing Mourinho. It's not any shorter a fix than Guardiola, he is a proven winner, he knows the league inside out and he knows how to get the best out of his players. Everyone says he creates issues in the dressing room, etc. I disagree: he only has problems with divas, big-egoed stars who don't want to work their socks off and die for him and the team. But I believe that many players we have are perfect for Mourinho's style and would get on well with him. It's just that he demands a greater commitment than other managers, and that many players nowadays don't like to make sacrifices for the team because they're selfish. But we don't have many of them.
Mourinho's has also built fantastic relationships with many players, his "soldiers" so to speak. And that tells a lot about him too. He is not necessarily the image he gives to the media.
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Post by Dave on Jan 23, 2016 22:37:17 GMT
We must at least try to salvage the spirit. What happens when: - we don't have a quality manager because Pep joins City for instance? Doomed - the spirit is gone and we're stuck in mid-table with no passion. Doomed I say - our quality players want to leave because the football is dull and boring and unchallenging? Doomed for eternity He is that image, it's exactly why the media are clambering for him to come in.
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2016 22:44:41 GMT
We must at least try to salvage the spirit. What happens when: - we don't have a quality manager because Pep joins City for instance? Doomed - the spirit is gone and we're stuck in mid-table with no passion. Doomed I say - our quality players want to leave because the football is dull and boring and unchallenging? Doomed for eternity But do you think we're that far off from what I mentioned?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 22:54:41 GMT
I don't think it's quite that bad Matt. We're going through a tough period with a manager who isn't performing but it's not the end of the World. Plenty of clubs go through similar periods. Look at Chelsea for instance. They're in a far worse position than us and I think most people accept they'll probably be back up there next season. Providing we make the right decision in terms of where we go next I'm not concerned.
Financially we're still raking it in which helps as well. We're going to be named as the highest earning club in the World next year by all accounts. Money talks in this game at the end of the day and sooner rather than later we're going to be a major force again. Only a matter of time.
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Post by Hammy on Jan 23, 2016 23:00:19 GMT
I wouldn't go as far as to say that our quality players will leave because every man and his dog knows that VGs time with us is hanging by a thread. I just wish he'd do the decent thing and resign because it's obvious he isn't good enough to coach a top club in the PL. His arrogance has been his (and ours) downfall and the sooner he goes the sooner we can get back to at least playing like a team that likes to play attractive, entertaining football because under VG there's about as much chance of that as Aston Villa winning the league this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 23:03:32 GMT
Exactly. If he doesn't go during the season he'll almost certainly go at the end of it. As much as missing out on the top 4 would be a blow. It's still manageable. No long term fears just yet.
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Post by spens1 on Jan 23, 2016 23:13:16 GMT
yeah we're shit
phone Pep now and at least get that secure, looks like we won't be having champions league football next season though
we need to sack Van Gaal, think that much is pretty obvious
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Post by Dave on Jan 23, 2016 23:41:52 GMT
I don't think it's quite that bad Matt. We're going through a tough period with a manager who isn't performing but it's not the end of the World. Plenty of clubs go through similar periods. Look at Chelsea for instance. They're in a far worse position than us and I think most people accept they'll probably be back up there next season. Providing we make the right decision in terms of where we go next I'm not concerned. Financially we're still raking it in which helps as well. We're going to be named as the highest earning club in the World next year by all accounts. Money talks in this game at the end of the day and sooner rather than later we're going to be a major force again. Only a matter of time before we're doomed. Fixed
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Post by Ali on Jan 24, 2016 0:00:41 GMT
Louis van Gaal believes the injury to Matteo Darmian triggered Manchester United’s downfall in their 1-0 defeat at home to Southampton. United’s sixth league loss of the season has left them five points behind fourth-placed Tottenham, while the fans made their dissatisfaction known at the full-time whistle as the team were booed off the pitch. Darmian was forced off in the 60th minute after clashing heads with Shane Long and Van Gaal admits the the Italian’s substitution, along with the absence of Marouane Fellaini who was brought off at half-time, contributed to Southampton securing the victory as Charlie Austin headed home James Ward-Prowse’s corner three minutes from time. “You can analyse that as a manager and players have to do because it is difficult to create chances when you are so tactically busy with pressing each other and pressure on the ball,” said Van Gaal. “Neither us nor they kept the ball so much. I put Mata in because I wanted to change that and to keep the ball much easier. In the first 15 minutes it was much better and the fans were cheering the team. “But then the injury of Darmian happened and that changed the play I think because it was not a nice thing to view for my players. Every change I have made today I knew in advance that in set plays we would have a problem. When replacing Fellaini and Darmian you lose two headers, and we don't have a tall team."
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Post by spens1 on Jan 24, 2016 1:33:24 GMT
Louis van Gaal believes the injury to Matteo Darmian triggered Manchester United’s downfall in their 1-0 defeat at home to Southampton. United’s sixth league loss of the season has left them five points behind fourth-placed Tottenham, while the fans made their dissatisfaction known at the full-time whistle as the team were booed off the pitch. Darmian was forced off in the 60th minute after clashing heads with Shane Long and Van Gaal admits the the Italian’s substitution, along with the absence of Marouane Fellaini who was brought off at half-time, contributed to Southampton securing the victory as Charlie Austin headed home James Ward-Prowse’s corner three minutes from time. “You can analyse that as a manager and players have to do because it is difficult to create chances when you are so tactically busy with pressing each other and pressure on the ball,” said Van Gaal. “Neither us nor they kept the ball so much. I put Mata in because I wanted to change that and to keep the ball much easier. In the first 15 minutes it was much better and the fans were cheering the team. “But then the injury of Darmian happened and that changed the play I think because it was not a nice thing to view for my players. Every change I have made today I knew in advance that in set plays we would have a problem. When replacing Fellaini and Darmian you lose two headers, and we don't have a tall team." it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that he chose that pathetic excuse for a footballer called maraoune fellaini would it now. no, of course it wouldn't because for that senile old prick of a manager we have, he's the best thing since sliced bread i honestly lose hope when i hear shit like this
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Post by matt on Jan 24, 2016 8:54:16 GMT
I don't think it's quite that bad Matt. Of course not, not now for sure; I was thinking more like in the long-term, if we don't fix that managerial role once and for all. I think we must at least stabilize for 3 years instead of getting managers in who fail to get the best out of the team. My point was: what happens if we go on for another three years of poor football? Hence my reflexion: we have already "wasted" three years (LVG did some good things in some areas though), so are we that far off from turning into a reknowned "boring & uncompetitive United"? I think we must steady the ship now, or face degrading our reputation as a club among players. We don't want to do a Liverpool, do we?
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Post by Oomtom on Jan 24, 2016 9:47:03 GMT
My opinion - what a disgrace yesterday was. Now we have as LVG is pointing out in his defense won three out of our last 13 games but he stresses 3 wins and a draw in 2016 ! Lets look at that. Going backwards from yesterdays loss. Scraped a win against Liverpool when and you be honest they were the better side. Draw against Newcastle who were then 18th in the Log. Scraped a win against Swansea 17th in the Log. The other Win was against a League 1 ( 3 leagues below ) us in the FA Cup. Hardly making me and the Fans attending yesterdays debacle brimful of confidence.
I am now going to use the F word. FFFFire him before all is lost.
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Post by hakam on Jan 24, 2016 15:20:37 GMT
yeah we're shit phone Pep now and at least get that secure, looks like we won't be having champions league football next season though we need to sack Van Gaal, think that much is pretty obvious Do you think that Pep would bother without having a definite Champion's league spot, or at least play-off spot?
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