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Post by howAREya on Feb 12, 2015 2:07:11 GMT
Only things that are relevant is we played poor for the talent on show and we win against an opponent we should be beating anyway in the first place
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 7:44:32 GMT
So overnight the arguably most prolific goal-scorer in European football has become "wank"? I too was extremely disappointed with his all-round performance tonight and most of the season thus far, but I can't help but blame our all round lethargic approach to attacking football for this. All of a sudden RVP is in effective this season? Rooney is in midfield? Januzaj's potential has dwindled? Wilson could do little when he came in tonight? Hernandez was sent out as well as Nani?.. Welbeck was sold? All our attacking talent is completely obsolete in this new regime? Why?.....For what gain?..Arguably he comes across as a guy who is prepared to say Fuck You All, because I know what I am doing here and don't judge me yet, a bit like the arrival of Mourinho,he seriously has a plan, like he was looking at the jod before-hand. And just a theory now mind.......... LVG has promised CL football on the back of the cheque-book and a draw away to West Ham is good enough in his strategy/"philosophy" to get us there. Once we are there and as long as we can ride out his first season to stabilise the ship after the SAF vacuum along with the Moyes debacle, I firmly believe that we will soon return to attacking , free-flowing football, but his mission at the moment is to get us to a point where we can return from and he is doing it. On top, I believe that he has a new strategy planned for next season once he gets us stabilised again and at least in the top 4 where we will return to what we know best which will be all out attack of which these players are capable of already, but he has them playing a very certain system, and if they were let loose on a stable foundation, they could potentially destroy anybody without any new signings. "Rooney, will you give me one season in CM and I promise...." (Hence the captaincy, give me one for the team?) Just a thought, let's wait and see? Surely even the arrogance of LVG, wouldn't dice with our future in such a way when he has a reputation to uphold? He has a plan and I for now still believe in him? I don't believe that anyone of his calibre would take this job and be so arrogant to leave his CV at the biggest club in the world with a black mark,I might be wrong, but I still believe that he knows what's best for our future regardless of the frustration that we we feel now. It's not overnight, you have to feel that major injury has taken something away from him, whether it be physical or just mental. But for a guy who is clearly quite powerful he is being made to look weak every game he plays. You also have to take into account the fact that he's playing in the toughest league he's ever played in now. He wouldn't be the first top quality South American player not to hack it in English football. As for the rest of it, I think it's obvious LVG has the bigger picture in mind and we all knew our and his priority this season would be to secure a top 4 position. I don't necessarily think he'll change the playing style much next season as again, all out attack isn't in his nature but that doesn't mean we won't play attacking football, we'll just play it the LVG way. He'll get the right personnel in the summer, right back, centre back, box to box central midfield a striker and even possibly a winger. Rooney will play further up field as he won't need him to fill a hole in midfield. He'll get that "balance" in the side that he's constantly bleating on about and we'll all see what a United side under LVG really looks like and I for one am expecting brilliance. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 8:52:44 GMT
I was wrong about Falcao. I was certain he'd come good but it just isn't happening.
Up until recently I thought he'd been doing well generally despite his overall poor return but the last few games his touch and holdup play has been truly woeful. The really worrying thing last night though was how little movement there was from him, all season long, even in his poor games, the runs that he has been making that haven't been spotted have been unreal.
The way we're playing isn't helping him but he isn't helping himself any more either, I highly doubt we'll be signing him now. I just hope the rumours of it already being permanent but just delayed for FFP purposes aren't true.
On the rest of the performance, it was by far the worst home performance all season. At one point just before half time I just started laughing because I was beyond the point of being pissed off at how bad it was. The basics of football had gone out of the window. If anything Daley Blind's injury came as a bit of a blessing, not because he was playing particularly poorly but the lack of a holding player forced us to go 4-4-2. And as much as I think you waste half of Di Maria's game out wide we looked a lot more comfortable for it.
Still didn't play well but it restricted Burnley's threat at least.
3-1 certainly flattered us. The more and more I watch us this season, the more and more I think it was a mistake to see Welbeck. We need pace and a threat in behind to open up the space for the midfield to play. In one of the weirdest football sentences I'll ever say - we're going to keep struggling for goals as long as we carry on playing the two players who 2 years ago were considered the best 2 No.9s in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:12:44 GMT
The comment about Welbeck is spot on for me, I was disappointed to see him leave but understood the decision from all parties due to his want to be a first choice striker, something at the beginning of the season I didn't think he deserved. Fast forward 5 months or so and with the main 2 underperforming and the side clearly lacking a powerful, pacey striker to make those runs in behind the defence and as you say open up space for the midfield to play, letting Welbeck leave is no longer disappointing for me, it's a downright mistake. The only way we rectify it is going out in the summer and bringing in someone of a similar style to him but who's a more clinical finisher.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Feb 12, 2015 9:21:31 GMT
who's a more clinical finisher Lacazette, Dybala. Welbeck could be useful right now for us on the right flank but as a striker, hardly. He isn't a first choice striker at Arsenal either , I doubt he would be here even with such shitty form of Falcao and hot and cold RvP. What worries me the most about Falcao are his aerial battles and a first touch, not so much pace and missed chances. That can come with time and sharpness. Also, our non system at present doesn't suit him either, plus RvP around with similar movements as him. If he'd be on his own we'd be seeing much better player on the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:30:12 GMT
It's pace we need at the top end of the pitch so yes, Welbeck would be very useful as a striker right now. What he's doing at Arsenal is irrelevant, he possesses all the attributes we're currently missing up front.
What we're crying out for is a selfless team player who can run in behind and unsettle defences. His far-from-prolific goal record wouldn't be relevant to what we'd need him for because he'd be playing alongside another striker who certainly can finish. There's no doubt in my mind that the team would score a lot more goals with a player like Welbeck in it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:44:42 GMT
It's the reason I'd consider giving Wilson a prolonged run in the starting 11 for the rest of the season, RVP and Falcao definitely don't work as a pair. I'd actually like Rooney/Wilson but Rooney seems settled in cm for the rest of the season so Wilson and 1 of the other 2 is the right way to go for me, Wilson may not possess the same strength as Welbeck but he sure as hell possesses the pace.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:46:23 GMT
So it's another round of heavy spending in the Summer then. CB + RB + CM + Striker. How are we for FFP if we get rid of Falcao, Mata, Fellaini, Rapha - Marc?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:53:35 GMT
You'd assume the wages of that lot would be roughly equal to the players we need to bring in so all should be fine on that front. The return of Champions League revenue and the start of the Adidas deal will cover the fee I'd have thought.
We'd have to pull in the top side of £40m for Mata , Fellaini and Rafa not to make accounting losses on the sales. I wouldn't get rid of Mata myself though.
Provided everything goes to plan though and we finish top four, spending the same as last season shouldn't be a problem at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:56:31 GMT
I'm just thinking Pogba wil cost us 80m with wages to go with it :lol:
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Post by StrikerMo on Feb 12, 2015 9:56:57 GMT
Looking at the numbers coming up... I can't find any reasonable scenario where we'd even come close to having to worry about FFP.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Feb 12, 2015 11:58:06 GMT
It's pace we need at the top end of the pitch so yes, Welbeck would be very useful as a striker right now. What he's doing at Arsenal is irrelevant, he possesses all the attributes we're currently missing up front. What we're crying out for is a selfless team player who can run in behind and unsettle defences. His far-from-prolific goal record wouldn't be relevant to what we'd need him for because he'd be playing alongside another striker who certainly can finish. There's no doubt in my mind that the team would score a lot more goals with a player like Welbeck in it. Ok. So, why we sold him then? Are we putting our fate in van Gaal only when that suits our agenda or we believe in him a 100%? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:03:57 GMT
What? We sold him because van Gaal didn't fancy him, clearly.
I think that was a mistake, I believe van Gaal is the right man to rebuild the squad but I feel in the instance of Welbeck he made a mistake. Nothing to do with my 'agenda', just an objective opinion.
I questioned Ferguson at times as well.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Feb 12, 2015 12:09:55 GMT
What? We sold him because van Gaal didn't fancy him, clearly. I think that was a mistake, I believe van Gaal is the right man to rebuild the squad but I feel in the instance of Welbeck he made a mistake. Nothing to do with my 'agenda', just an objective opinion. I questioned Ferguson at times as well. I didn't single you out, relax. I'm just asking about your opinion. I always thought (except on his beginning) and I'm thinking now that Welbeck is not good enough striker for Manchester United, based on his development and end product. Each to their own. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:13:03 GMT
The gamble was made to sign a proven world class striker, Falcao, and Danny was pushed down the pecking order and rightly left. Was that gamble worth it? Yes, if it had worked. No, if it doesn't. Damned if they do, damned if they don't on this one. Falcao was worth taking a punt on but I think RVP should have taken the brunt of the hit in terms of reduced performances over Danny leaving.
Now it just looks like mismanagement, which isn't strictly fair.
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