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Post by Hammy on Feb 14, 2016 18:23:52 GMT
If we can't beat the mighty Sunderland with VG at the helm then why should we (and the club) believe we can go all the way in the FA cup and thinking we can win the Europa cup is beyond laughable.
One thing is clearer than water. With VG we won't be reaching top 4 unless a couple of teams above us implode which no one is showing signs of.
A new manager could inject faith which could make the difference between reaching the CL or the Europa league. A difficult ask but not impossible. With VG there's no chance. The board are showing the back bone of a jelly fish.
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Post by hakam on Feb 14, 2016 18:30:31 GMT
You've got no guarantees and magic bullets by bringing someone new in at this late stage, more chance you'll do more harm than good. But the new coach can't be worse than what we have. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 18:55:27 GMT
1) VG isn't solely to blame 2) The last thing this board needs is to get tarred with the same brush as Abromovich, the Arabs (and any other irrational cunt). They tread a fine line as it is. But the new coach can't be worse than what we have. You might get a small bounce , you might tank further still. Russian roulette init. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 19:01:15 GMT
I have to say at this point it can't really get much worse, can it? Top 4 is in huge doubt no matter who the manager is. I think it makes no sense to keep LVG until the summer if we do already have Mourinho lined up. Get him in for the rest of the season, time to analyse the squad and see what needs doing in the summer.
I don't think you can compare our situation to that of City or Chelsea. They've got rid of managers after pretty successful seasons. This is not a success, we've gone backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 19:27:52 GMT
VG doesn't have the steadiest grip on the first team but he does have one, we're consistently inconsistent enough to do a cup run, but not the league - which will cost him his job, unless one of the others seriously brain-farts and we capitalise.
You either display some integrity and give a manager a fair crack or you don't. I think we're about right using the mathematically impossible top 4 rule. Give 'em enough rope, etc.
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2016 20:33:40 GMT
Aye and with Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea/City the main teams left in the mix, FA Cup is perfectly doable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 20:37:01 GMT
I can just about see your point about not getting rid until top 4 is not mathematically possible. But if we get to April, out of every competition, no hope for top 4 and he's still in charge I can't help feel we'd have missed a chance to give the next manager a little more time to settle.
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Post by hakam on Feb 14, 2016 20:52:46 GMT
But if we get to April, out of every competition, no hope for top 4 and he's still in charge I can't help feel we'd have missed a chance to give the next manager a little more time to settle. And would Mou be interested then. If we're out of the CL I mean. Having him now gives him a chance to secure the Europa league, and to evaluate directly the players so that, come July first, he will know who to boot and who to bring. His decisions will be restricted otherwise. |
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Post by hakam on Feb 14, 2016 20:55:03 GMT
Man U are 150:1 to win the league. SAF must be having a fit... maybe it's just a nightmare and all will be well when we wake up.
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2016 20:57:19 GMT
If he's so in love with us like many of you claim then he'll surely wait.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 21:00:18 GMT
The other thing we don't know is what the contract looks like and how it pans out if they sack him outright, outside of his stated targets. Not exactly generous tippers the Glaziers and will have been stung to fuck by Moyes (how much did he come away with?). I think is mixed in there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 21:02:04 GMT
I think Mourinho is interested regardless of what happens. He's not going to get a better offer from anywhere else and we all know it's the job he's always wanted. That won't change whether we finish 4th or 7th this season.
The point is you give him a better chance at success next season if he's in charge for the last few months of this. Having said all that I do think the time to change manager has passed for this season now, unless things do get even worse. I agree that if we were going to have a change it would've been done in December.
Just have to sit it out and hope LVG can go out on a relative high. Either bagging us a trophy or somehow getting us into the top 4. I still like the bloke and the preference would be for him to achieve something this season and then we mutually part ways in the summer.
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2016 21:08:36 GMT
I can just about see your point about not getting rid until top 4 is not mathematically possible. But if we get to April, out of every competition, no hope for top 4 and he's still in charge I can't help feel we'd have missed a chance to give the next manager a little more time to settle. Our only options between now and the summer are Giggs or Mourinho. Considering one is currently working in the current setup, knows the club, players inside out etc. and the other one is well 'special', knows the league and has managed big clubs should settling time really be an issue? For both those candidates there a question marks and a clean break after the season is sensible imo. As a side note, the man who took the league champions to hovering above relegation is going to come in and win us the Europa. That's some fairytale shite. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 21:20:44 GMT
Of course settling time should be an issue. We'd allow every manager the same time so just because Mourinho's had a hugely successful career and knows the league doesn't mean we should expect him to come in and work magic instantly. Doesn't necessarily mean he'll need the time either but in my mind, if he is the plan then it makes sense to get him in sooner rather than later.
In terms of the rest of this season. I think I'd take winning the F.A cup and finishing 5th right now. As much as top 4 is always a priority, it irritates me that it has to be this way. Surely winning trophies should always be the most pleasing thing as a fan. It really is one of my biggest frustrations with the modern game that finishing 4th is seen as a bigger achievement than winning a cup.
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2016 22:06:08 GMT
So Mourinho isn't Gandalf then? I'll have his head on a stick then if we don't win the Europa and FA Cup :lol:
I didn't mean it like that, I'm just saying if we hire someone now and they tank then we've got unnescessary pressure and question marks over them before their feet are even under the table especially with two men who divide opinions as it is. Their familarity with the league/club would give them less leniency than an outsider.
We'd like clubs/managers not to be affected by the outside world but they are and it cannot be helped.
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