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Post by Red Or Dead on Dec 5, 2015 18:16:34 GMT
What a fucking yawn-fest again, chances yes,but we seem to be finishing-retarded once again.
Predictable boring tripe once again giving the easy option to the opposition again.
Any PL player/defender who's worth his salt can see what we are gonna do.....pathetic drivel again and at home to a mediocre,midtable team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 18:37:34 GMT
Who beat City, Liverpool, Arsenal all away from home. I don't think it was the same old boring tripe at all. Don't know how people think we didn't attack well today, we created a lot of clear chances and some very good openings that lacked a good final ball. The finishing really let us down. I also think they defended well.
Have to realise that this league has changed, whether that's because the lesser sides are getting better or the top sides are getting worse but there are no easy games in the Premier League anymore, no easy games for anyone. You're simply as good as your opposition on the day and from what I saw they were dangerous going forward and very good and compact defensively, yet we kept a clean sheet and created chances. If we'd have taken 1 or 2 of those chances today nobody would be complaining about the way we attacked. The fact we didn't is solely down to pour finishing.
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Post by charlie911 on Dec 5, 2015 18:49:19 GMT
Sometimes I feel like people always complain for the sake of it, how was today the same old thing? We attacked them and as you said Jamie they also defended well but we created chances that the players should be finishing. Chances aside some of the decision making of the players were slow and wrong in the final 1/3 like when Fellaini ignored lingard twice today and Mata deciding to take his time on the ball instead of passing.
There was improvement in how we play against teams that play deep, as van Gaal said the goals are coming and with more composure we would have won the game today...
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Post by Hammy on Dec 5, 2015 19:17:58 GMT
Playing with 2 holding midfielders at home against a side who had their best players out is a fucking embarrassment. Uniteds strength has always come from scoring goals from all areas of the pitch. Not anymore it's not.
Yes we had our chances today but when our best chance fell to someone like Felliani is it a surprise when he misses? Is it a surprise that all our flair players now have lost their flair and have problems scoring? Why is that? Mata has proved himself time and time again that he's one of the best AMs in the PL. Why all of a sudden has he become very average? It's just as well Martial had such a great start because even though he's always capable of something special he's starting to look pretty average himself? Why is that? Most people said Rooney will come into form. He hasn't. Why is that? Memphis was one of the most exciting talents in Dutch football last season. Yes, really. OK maybe some justification can be given for him but he's still looking as exciting as watching 2 snails shagging.
18 months on, £250m spent on I must say some class players but still on the whole our performances have been drab. If people are happy that we aren't even capable of putting together 2 good performances on the bounce after all this time then good luck to them.
I'm not
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Post by Red Or Dead on Dec 5, 2015 19:31:52 GMT
They beat other top sides away yes they did, but Payet,Sakho and Lanzini were playing, they weren't today and W.Ham were there for the taking and we didn't convert our chances again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 19:39:33 GMT
We didn't convert our chances, which is disappointing and frustrating no doubt, but even creating chances is an improvement on some of our performances lately!
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Post by howAREya on Dec 5, 2015 20:24:06 GMT
6th 0-0 of the season. Today result wasn't a once off and point to some familiar failings. If we don't get an early goal in games we just go into some sort shutdown mode and offer little trouble to the opposition and that allows them to grow into the game even if they don't have the ball. Today was no different.
We have to make it happen ourselves. Nobody else is going to do it for us.
As it was our last win in all competitions I will refer back to the Watford game where our approach wasn't much different despite the result.
The last 5 minutes after they scored summed up what we are lacking in games. It's tempo,urgency, intensity and a bit more dazzling play for the opposition defence to deal with rather than our slow predictable play. It wins free kicks, set pieces, get players booked. It's all far too easy to read our play at times
That day after Deeney scored the penalty it was like someone just flicked a switch. We probably looked at our most dangerous in the final 5 or 6 minutes of that game than we did in the 2nd half up to that point.
After today van Gaal said we need composure and luck. If the composure isn't there now with what we already have it isn't going to come within a few months especially when it matters most.
If anything it's going to make opposition defenses even more stubborn because they'll see that it works against us.
I'd take luck over composure at the moment. Schweinsteiger's/OG winner that day could be barely be classed as a chance. It was just hit it and hope for the best.
Teams who sit back against us and defend well and put their bodies on the line will get the luck they deserve the same way as we will get the luck if we attack them as intensely as they defend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 20:27:00 GMT
He 'just' needs to stop the predictability, the one thing VG sides usually aren't and that's painfully predictable going forward. I don't know how, but he needs to wrap his head around it. That requires him to mix things up.
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Post by Red Or Dead on Dec 5, 2015 20:38:39 GMT
Creating chances is one thing,I would be more disappointed if we didn't create anything at all, but we have lost the ability to score.The players are playing like scoring hasn't been practiced in training or as if nobody has ever showed them how?
I am not anti-LVG at all, but we have to call a spade a spade here and admit that even though we are hard to beat at the moment,which is a huge improvement on the last few seasons, we offer absolutely no threat to the opposition anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 20:47:03 GMT
I'd still like to see more of us without Rooney, as bad as it sounds I hope he's out for a good month so we can see other options and setups. We need more pace in this kind of setup. No Mata and Fellaini in the same team. I'd even be tempted to get rid of all the slower, older players and go with a front 4 of Lingard Pereira Martial Memphis
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Post by Red Or Dead on Dec 5, 2015 21:07:13 GMT
I'd keep Mata for his brain, but Fellaini offers nothing except for being an awkward player to play against with no football ability whatsoever.
Agree with let's give the young lads their shot, at least they're hungry and will play with some passion along with the pace that is so badly missed at the moment.
If we tie them to this slow system though we could actually kill their development off altogether, they need to be free to express themselves to develop their potential.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:17:49 GMT
Like I said, as much as playing with Fellaini isn't ideal, he caused far more problems than Mata did today. When I say get rid of Mata, I mean out of the lineup, not sell him. In the right setup he'll could be a superb player for us but at the minute he's underperforming, whether or not it's because of the setup I don't know and care.
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Post by Hammy on Dec 5, 2015 21:19:07 GMT
I don't think it's that hard to understand that it's the system we need to change, not the players. As Ed and a few others have said we're far too predictable which is why I'm so fucking against VG at the moment because it's so fucking obvious it's laughable.
It doesn't matter what players we put out if we keep the same system. We're still going to see the same old shite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:44:19 GMT
You know his brief from the Glazers was to turn United into a more 'European' possession based side. If you're VG you're doing what you've been told but he's only half way there. I believe there is more from this current group if he loosened things up a bit. Look at this quote:
‘I don’t understand that they are shouting ‘attack, attack’ because we are the attacking team and not West Ham United,’ said Van Gaal.
‘That is not only today but every game is like that because we are always more dominating than our opponents. ‘When we have a lot of ball possession, you have a lot of ball possession to create chances and not to play the ball around and don’t score.
Where is Giggs?? where is Woodward?? telling him WHY the fans are chanting that. It's not that we are not the attacking, possession based side, it's because of how we do it and achieve so little reward. THAT'S what the fans are digging at, what exactly is Giggs role here again??
Anyway, I don't believe it won't have gone unnoticed by board members. Certainly not SAF.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 22:39:15 GMT
I've been thinking similar myself. I expected Giggs to be having more of an influence at this point if he's going to be our next manager. LVG has spoken a few times about him doing team talks and stuff but from the side lines he appears to just be sitting alongside him sharing whispers. You'd imagine if Giggs was trying to force the identity of the club onto LVG that we'd have heard about it in the media if LVG was just dismissing it. Appears he's just a yes man.
You can guarantee if Nev was sat on the bench with him he'd be telling exactly why the fans are getting frustrated with the slow build up play and lack of intensity in general.
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