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Post by Kaushik on Mar 24, 2015 9:19:08 GMT
I checked in physioroom.com and Young is not mentioned as injured there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 9:27:29 GMT
Robin's form of late isn't helping the case that's certain, but I thought there is a possibility we could see something like this based purely on the attributes of those 3. Robin has played in a different setup the whole season, totally devoid of any confidence with a possible niggling injury and a bit of a tiredness so maybe this would be a completely different story now. It's a pure assumption I know and he's coming back from an injury but just based on all of this above and the fact that he is still one of the best strikers (false 9's) in the league, very well capable of holding and shielding the ball and dragging the opposition's defense out of positions, maybe he has something to offer, considering that he now would have a much better support than previously during the season. It's not the selection of van Persie or not that bothers me. As Rooney's performance on Sunday showed we don't need a number 9 firing on all cylinders for the system to work. It's more the swapping of Rooney's position yet again that would concern me. If it was Robin in for Rooney I wouldn't be bothered, but as we know, "he is my captain and my captain shall always play." That means losing Young or Fellaini or Herrera and as much as I never thought I'd say it, particularly in Young/Fellaini's case, they just don't deserve to be dropped. Take Fellaini out and we lose the outball that we've had whenever we get bogged down in possession. Take Herrera out and we lose the linkup with Mata and we get the Rooney in midfield(!) argument all over again. Take out Mata or Young and we also lose the Blind/Young/Fellaini and Valencia/Mata/Herrera triangles that have proved so effective in the last two games.
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Post by Splendid Spy on Mar 24, 2015 9:56:00 GMT
I really can't imagine any complacency here ......... The three points are too critical - we should win hands down 2 or 3 nil - the whole team wants CL football next season. Agree with Marc for the team selection - Rojo for Jones - ADM for Young - that's it. Have to disagree with you guys. Jones has been playing well and we don't need to change our CB pairings again... not when we are winning. Smalling and Jones have good chemistry imo. let them continue. I wouldn't want to see Di Maria starting in place of Young as well. Young has been linking really well with Blind on the left . He has been a threat offensively as well as solid defensively. Remember the clearance from Young the other day when Liverpool countered and Toni V slipped, Young was there to clear the mess. I doubt Di Maria would have tracked back. I say stick with the current line-up. There's no need for any tinkering.
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Post by Rach1986 on Mar 24, 2015 10:41:12 GMT
Yes I would only replace Young because I thought he was injured - he was reported in some paper as leaving the ground on crutches after the Liverpool game -
If he's fit then he should play - no question in my mind either.
But still feel Jones is too inconsistent - can always drop a clanger so would go for Smalling / Rojo as our CB pairing
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Post by Jie on Mar 24, 2015 13:25:42 GMT
Jones has improved a lot in the last games, but still against Liverpool Smalling had to cover for him on a few occasions. Smalling - Rojo for me is the better option, gives us more stability and both of them are very useful when pressing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 13:29:55 GMT
Jones has been the only weak link in the last two games for me.
Boggles my mind how people all over seem to think he played really well. He was very lucky he didn't have us playing 10 v 10 on Sunday due to his sheer stupidity.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 24, 2015 13:34:48 GMT
It's not the selection of van Persie or not that bothers me. As Rooney's performance on Sunday showed we don't need a number 9 firing on all cylinders for the system to work. It's more the swapping of Rooney's position yet again that would concern me. If it was Robin in for Rooney I wouldn't be bothered, but as we know, "he is my captain and my captain shall always play." That means losing Young or Fellaini or Herrera and as much as I never thought I'd say it, particularly in Young/Fellaini's case, they just don't deserve to be dropped. Take Fellaini out and we lose the outball that we've had whenever we get bogged down in possession. Take Herrera out and we lose the linkup with Mata and we get the Rooney in midfield(!) argument all over again. Take out Mata or Young and we also lose the Blind/Young/Fellaini and Valencia/Mata/Herrera triangles that have proved so effective in the last two games. That's what I had in mind when asked about an opinion of selecting Robin and shifted Rooney on the left side (but tucked in) of that potential attack. He wouldn't be a good option there as a direct replacement for Young like for like in terms of both position and role, what I had in mind is that unconventional position that we didn't use until Spurs game that Mata has occupied and executed to perfection. He (Rooney) wouldn't act as a playmaker, that role stays Mata's, but Rooney would be a pure old fashioned inside forward and with his attributes I think that he's more than enough capable to play it effectively. As for the other parts of your post I completely agree, I wouldn't touch the central midfield by any means, they were pivotal in our last two games for the domination we have showed and like you said, created a perfect triangles. There is also another possibility, to play Robin in that inside forward position like van Gaal has played him in the Dutch squad. He is also well capable to play there if those behind him are a well functioned unit. An inside forward primarily needs to possess good finishing and decent technical ability which both of Rooney and Robin have. Pace here doesn't play any role for it to be effective. Now, if Young is available for this match, I wouldn't change anything, but if not, I have a dilemma between RvP and di Maria. It all depends how we are planning to approach this game. In one option di Maria would be a better solution (more pace and penetration through the flanks, playing a different role), in another option, a deep-lying forward with another role (Rooney or RvP). In both cases you need an overlaping full back and a good protection behind you. For which option van Gaal will opt is anyone's guess.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 24, 2015 13:43:24 GMT
Agree with Rach, Jie and Marc about Jones, he's the only certain outsider for me now. Smalling was indeed covering for his lapses in concentration a dozen of times in the last 180 minutes. Not saying that Rojo doesn't have that deficient as well sometimes but in much lesser dose than a 1000 of faces Philly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 13:52:21 GMT
Yeah Jones out in the summer along with Evans for me. Smalling has impressed and has always been the most talented of the 3 imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 14:02:02 GMT
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Post by Jie on Mar 24, 2015 14:26:05 GMT
Jones is still 23, I'm with edwood on this one - I think he'll stay along with Smalling and Evans will go and we'll bring a new guy, although I don't think it will be Hummels. I'd like to see us with Smalling-Rojo as a main pairing and someone(early 20s and promising)-Jones as our back-up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 14:43:12 GMT
Jones is the centre back version of Anderson. We forgive him for being young just like we did with Anderson, and we back him to come good because we've always seen glimpses of the player he could become.
But he's by no means an inexperienced player, he's played more top flight football than Smalling despite being 2 and a half years younger. If he hasn't cut out the massive brainfarts and 'silly bullshit' by now, is he ever going to?
I'm learning my lesson from Anderson, I don't think Jones will ever be good enough to be first choice centre back here.
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2015 14:57:24 GMT
That's a bit harsh for me.
Jones is more like Fellaini in you know he's going to jump into challenges and pull stupid faces like you know Fellaini is going to knock everyone about.
Maybe you are right in that he may never be first choice but I think he's good enough to have as a back up.
Smalling has impressed the last few games but is still expect a top quality experienced CB, Evans to be let go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 15:09:52 GMT
CBs don't come into there own until the age Evans is now, 26/27 is the time to start judging whether he'll cut it or not.
There's a lot to tidy up about his game and the way he plays but I think under VG's crew they'll do him a world of good. Basically teaching him to think ahead of anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 15:30:33 GMT
By which time he'd have been in and out of the United (and England) team for a full 8 years and will have played close to 250 games.
If you can't learn all you need to know in that time then the highest level really isn't for you.
Don't get me wrong I like Jones, I like the way you can see how much he wants it and how hard he works, but he simply hasn't got the football brain for it in my opinion. I already feel like I can see Chris Smalling learning on the job under van Gaal. I just don't get the same sense from Jones, it's like I'm watching the same excitable puppy that I was watching 4 years ago.
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