General Football Thread

Fuck off Brendan you moronic patronising twat. I'd put money on the youth of today knowing more about what goes on than you do. I have no time for middle aged men with your one dimensional views, it's about time you grew the fuck up and got off your pedestal thinking that as you're older and you've "experienced more" it makes your views more valid.

As for saying I probably grew up with people from different cultures, I never met a Muslim until I was 16 years old, Wigan is not remotely diverse as I've stated before and I am surrounded by people who hide behind their age as an excuse for their bigotry.

So you have no excuse, as my upbringing was very much the same as both of yours I assume. White working class Christian families, surrounded by other white working class people.

I think it's better this topic of conversation ends now because it's going to get embarrassing for someone and I know it sure as hell won't be me.

Just read back through everything you've said, show it to your teenage daughter and see what she makes of your opinions.. Then you'll realise how rich it is for you to be telling me to grow up. If she agrees with you then I guess she's just a chip off the old block..

I'm not getting pissed off about your point of view, everyone is entitled to live in a bubble and have their own ignorant opinions. The way you're throwing my comments out and insinuating that when I'm older I'll see where you're coming from is the problem. You being older makes your opinion more valid does it? As I'm more than confident that although you may be ahead of me in years, you're certainly well behind in brain cells, I've forgotten more in my short lifetime than you'll probably ever know.

Your last comment shows the sort of mentality you have, trying to insult me by saying my dream job is in a drive-thru.. I'm a 25 year old man not a 16 year old school-leaver.

There's a bit of working class snobbery going on here, just like when you were slagging off students, really shows how behind the times you are.

I haven't been remotely patronising, Brendan telling me I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm young and I'll eventually learn and see the errors in my opinions is the patronising statement.

As I said you're entitled to your opinions, I think you're wrong, but you're entitled to them. I also agree with you about it being a generational thing in terms of the way we think about the topic but I don't appreciate being patted on the head and told ahhh when he's a little older he'll get where we're coming from.

I don't know what the history of Ireland and N.I have to do with me saying you can't call different types of people by names as you see fit? Absolutely pointless reference.

I think the pair of you are living in this paranoid society that the media creates. Contrary to popular belief, Britain isn't in the process of turning into an Islamic state, we aren't close to introducing Sharia Law, Muslims aren't walking the streets looking for any signs of Christianity to complain about, nor are they all roaming the streets looking to abduct and rape our children.

I just don't get where people like you's come from with this sort of shit, tell me how a certain culture is trying to be imposed on you personally, don't draw on example from daily tabloids, tell me how you have personally been effected by a culture trying to change the way you behave.

I'm embarrassed for the pair of you to be honest, you're so out of touch it makes me cringe. Your age isn't enough of an excuse as I have relatives of a similar age and older who don't share your views. As I said before it's best this conversation ends.

And as for feeling threatened by the pair of you, don't flatter yourselves.

Do you realise how childish you sound, how the fuck would you know what goes on in my life? How do you know I don't work now and quite frankly what the fuck does that have to do with this discussion or more to the point what does my private life have to do with you? Also saying if I had a pair of balls I'd join the army, some of these statements are getting almost laughable.....

Anyway.....

Radical Islam has not once been mentioned by anyone, I feel embarrassed having to tell you this but you know, not every Muslim has Radical Ideoligies. Radical Muslims wanting to take over the country and introduce Sharia Law amongst other things and Radical Muslims actually doing so are 2 completely different things and it will never happen, quite simple as that.

We are now entering a different discussion. Have you even bothered to read back through the thread Hammy or have you just jumped into the discussion between me and Brendan half way through, took notice of one point and put all your eggs into 1 basket?

The discussion started off with Brendan stating that despite the leader of the British Chinese society being British, if he doesn't like to be called names he should fuck off back to his own country, which is of course Britain, after pointing this out to him he then went on to insinuate that as he clearly has Chinese ancestors who weren't native to Britain the point still stands, which anybody with half a brain can work out is clearly a comment with racist connotations. He's as good as saying anyone who isn't white with a British sounding surname should accept being insulted, cos if we go far enough down their lineage they aint British...

Fuck that, lets rhyme off a few names... Welbeck can fuck off, he shouldn't be playing for England before a white kid because he's got recent Ghanian ancestry, he also has no right to be insulted by derogatory name calling. How about Amir Khan? His Dad was born in the UK but his grandparents are from Pakistan, he even walks to the ring with a Pakistani flag side by side with a British one, what a wanker, he and all his family should fuck off back to Pakistan. Idris Elba, what sort of good British name is that? Clearly got African ancestors, if he doesn't like racism he can go back to his motherland.

The original point I was making is that different cultures have a right as part of a multicultural Britain to stand up for what they believe in and to live their life how they see fit providing they're not hurting anyone else. They're entitled to be insulted by names often thrown at them, I think they have every right to ask their child not to do R.E providing they don't bitch and complain about it, as I said Jehovah's Witnesses do and no-one gives a fuck, although again it's a situation which rarely occurs.

Radicial Islam is a complete polar opposite to the original argument, I have no problem with people saying they hate radicalised Muslims, they're the single biggest problem in the world right now but my point is, these guys don't speak for an entire religion.

I also have no problem with people getting annoyed with these often false stories that circulate in the media about Muslims complaining about signs of Christianity, that's what I'm completely against, as I said everyone should be able to practice their religion peacefully. But these stories do tend to be false which creates a witch hunt scenario and tarring them all with the same brush.

I know all about Operation Trojan Horse but without sounding like a broken record, situations like this (which are a disgrace) don't represent the entire Muslim population of the UK.

Forcing kids to explore Islam if they don't want to is obviously wrong, but earlier in this discussion I was told Muslim parents are out of order for not wanting their kids to take part in regular R.E classes that are Christianity heavy, this is no different surely.

R.E in normal secondary schools should cater to children of all faiths, should cover the basics of religion as a whole but not be too heavy on any specific one in my opinion, this is why Catholic children go to Catholic schools, also the reason we have Islamic schools. And I can assure you that in my part of the UK at least Catholic schools are still very....Catholic.

I went to a Church of England primary school and a regular secondary school, which whilst being top heavy on Christianity, taught about all religions. I'm all for Catholic schools keeping their catholic values, if you don't want your child to learn about Christianity then you sure as hell don't send them to a Catholic school, which would be hard to do in the UK as most Catholic schools only take in Catholic children.

I guess I don't feel threatened by religion in general as me and my family are not particularly religious. I personally would be all for members of my own family and my children (one day) to take part in R.E classes that teach a variety of religions equally. But don't mistake where I'm coming from as any attempt to force any religion down somebody's throat doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe at last we're getting somewhere because I do agree with a lot of what you say. I am not all all religious but we all know that religion at !east in the past was the cause of most wars.
I am not at all radical but I do believe in protecting the values that i was brought up with. Call me sentimental if you want.
Like it or not we are in a critical stage in our country. If we all sit back then we will lose everything we were brought up to believe. Islamic radicals is the new worlds terror that's spreading like a cancer. You say it doesn't matter because it doesn't represent the entire Muslim population. I do agree with you here but today it's Birmingham, tomorrow it could be London the next day it could be Wigan.
I can see the biggest difference between you and me is you think it won't happen whereas I think it could which is why I'm more proactive but that doesn't make me a racist. Last month I travelled from Barcelona to London to attend an anti ISIS march. It had nothing to do with left or right wing groups but simply soldiers or ex soldiers who have had enough of radicals making us live constantly in fear. I hope you're not naïve enough to think these radicals will go away because it has been stated time and time again that their only objective is not to stop until the world is practising Islam.
If you're interested in it's history read a book on the muslim brotherhood. There it will give an insight as too why I'm "paranoid" as you so eloquently put it.