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Nani
Mar 2, 2015 13:59:23 GMT
Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 2, 2015 13:59:23 GMT
That's an old story... I don't care if Woody is sending him dick picks- he's got a lot of work to do to convince anyone he deserves to be here. I said the last line more as a joke but it doesn't matter. Nani, based on this season form, most certainly deserves to be here. Whether van Gaal wants him or not is another thing, remains to be seen. I just don't understand so much an obstinate resistance towards Nani from some of the fans. One would think he's been so shit here, almost as Bebe in the way how people are speaking about him. I don't know, maybe some people are having a nap with Louie who is telling them all the plans and they know what he'll do next. |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 8:53:34 GMT
Post by StrikerMo on Mar 3, 2015 8:53:34 GMT
form in the Portuguese league doesn't necessarily translate to the premier league. He's having a good season in Portugal. That might get him a ticket to go on tour, but it certainly doesn't do anything to improve his chances of playing for United again. van Gaal let him leave for a reason... I don't see any obstinate resistance- People have seen Nani constantly underperform and offer next to nothing for the past few years. If LVG wants him and sees him fitting his philosophy then he'll be here, but that's a fairly slim chance as it stands now.
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 13:43:01 GMT
Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 3, 2015 13:43:01 GMT
He has needed the fresh start, something to clutch onto in order to resurrect his career at the top level. He's been very good in the Primeira and even better in the UCL, against some top sides. That's enough for me but obviously not for everyone to want him to play here again. What van Gaal thinks and wants none of us know. He has sent him there for a reason like you said but that reason is most certainly not that United get a few quid more from his selling. That would be the most stupidest reason if true, like United depends of a few mils.
He did under perform last two seasons, but also for a reasons. One of the main ones being constant injuries and low confidence of the whole squad(last season). This loan to Sporting maybe, just maybe has helped him to find his head and feet again.
That's what I'm saying all along.
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 13:44:07 GMT
Post by Jie on Mar 3, 2015 13:44:07 GMT
^that. Nothing against Nani, but he said on a couple occasions that he's happy at Sporting and he didn't feel ok at United (whether it was Moyes, injuries or whatever) and we all know how inconsistent he can be. Maybe it's best for him to stay where he can make a difference
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 13:46:46 GMT
Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 3, 2015 13:46:46 GMT
Tell me something Jie, honestly, how many players you know being consistency freaks in the last couple of years in the squad?
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 13:49:12 GMT
Post by StrikerMo on Mar 3, 2015 13:49:12 GMT
The reason is because van Gaal told him he wasn't going to get any game time here... How's that going to change? If anything with the signing of new players last summer and the inevitable signings we make this coming summer, playing time will be even more at a premium.
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 14:09:01 GMT
Post by Jie on Mar 3, 2015 14:09:01 GMT
Tell me something Jie, honestly, how many players you know being consistency freaks in the last couple of years in the squad? Valencia has been consistent, Rafael (when not injured), Jones (when not injured), Chicharito, Rooney, Welbeck |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 14:39:55 GMT
Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 3, 2015 14:39:55 GMT
Valencia has been consistent, Rafael (when not injured), Jones (when not injured), Chicharito, Rooney, Welbeck No they weren't. Valencia suffered from a No.7 disease, Chicha had fantastic first season but struggled since, Welbeck couldn't hit a barn door and Rooney was one the most inconsistent performers over his entire career here. He's been forgiven because of his major contributions in other things. The ones who were are Vidić until the injury, Rio until..... some point, Ronaldo, if you don't count his first season, Evra till 2012 when he suddenly decided not to defend and RvP in his first season. Other than that, no one or I can't remember any significant one? Not even Carrick. |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 14:45:41 GMT
Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 3, 2015 14:45:41 GMT
The reason is because van Gaal told him he wasn't going to get any game time here... How's that going to change? If anything with the signing of new players last summer and the inevitable signings we make this coming summer, playing time will be even more at a premium. And why he told him that? "Listen Mr. Luis, you've been pretty crap last couple of seasons, I don't know why and I don't care. You've also been the most shit player in a preseason, so, you go to Lisbon and be good there while we're paying your salaries for the sake of it. If you perform well, we shall sell you to the club who offers 12,51m quid and not to that who offers 12,49m. Be well and write sometimes." I don't think so. I get what you're saying but it's a bit deeper than just that IMO. |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 14:54:04 GMT
Post by StrikerMo on Mar 3, 2015 14:54:04 GMT
That's the point... we're essentially paying him not to play for us... We payed him to leave... Would van Gaal send him off on an all expenses paid year long holiday in Portugal if he saw any use for him? What exactly do you think the "deeper" part is? I think you're grasping at straws.
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 14:59:05 GMT
Post by Nemanja79 on Mar 3, 2015 14:59:05 GMT
That's the point... we're essentially paying him not to play for us... We payed him to leave... Would van Gaal send him off on an all expenses paid year long holiday in Portugal if he saw any use for him? What exactly do you think the "deeper" part is? I think you're grasping at straws. I said it above but never mind. We payed him to leave: that's just too thin to believe. |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 15:04:05 GMT
Post by StrikerMo on Mar 3, 2015 15:04:05 GMT
We payed him to leave: that's just too thin to believe. That's an indisputable fact... how's it too thin to believe? This thread is slowly turning into the Fabio thread from the old site... round and round in circles we go. We all know how that ended up- not to mention we're wasting time talking about a player that doesn't even play for us, probably won't ever again. Mind-boggling |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 15:38:48 GMT
Post by Jie on Mar 3, 2015 15:38:48 GMT
Valencia has been consistent, Rafael (when not injured), Jones (when not injured), Chicharito, Rooney, Welbeck No they weren't. Valencia suffered from a No.7 disease, Chicha had fantastic first season but struggled since, Welbeck couldn't hit a barn door and Rooney was one the most inconsistent performers over his entire career here. He's been forgiven because of his major contributions in other things. The ones who were are Vidić until the injury, Rio until..... some point, Ronaldo, if you don't count his first season, Evra till 2012 when he suddenly decided not to defend and RvP in his first season. Other than that, no one or I can't remember any significant one? Not even Carrick. I don't think we have the same definition of consistency. The players I mentioned above are not there because of their good or bad performances, they're there because you know what to expect of them. In the case of Valencia for example you know he's got only one good foot, and he's been consistently shit using the other one. Every player has his up and down periods and that's normal, but with Nani that was never the case - he would make one amazing game followed by five where you can't find him on the pitch. The objective here is to make a new team, not to gather the old squad back together. |
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 16:21:39 GMT
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Post by Dave on Mar 3, 2015 16:21:39 GMT
How many times have top clubs loaned out senior players and then brought them back into contention?
Do you think if Cleverley went on a worldy at Villa and started banging in the goals, we'd want him back? No. Nani isn't good enough.
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Nani
Mar 3, 2015 16:29:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 16:29:06 GMT
Nani was the definition of inconsistency. We have players who are consistent, and others who are consistently bad.
But like Jie said, Nani was inconsistent. He played like a star one game, and would be an arrogant fuck up the next few games. On his good day, he is a classy player. On a bad day, he'd make you pull your hair out.
Time to move on and stop making excuses for the players we've kept counting on the last few years (only to seem them fail us again and again).
Cleverley and Nani are finally gone. We may see a couple more go later on down the road.
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