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Post by Hammy on Nov 8, 2014 17:07:41 GMT
The more games I see the more I'm doubting VGs tactics. Constantly playing Rooney deeper with Di Maria out wide didn't work 3-4 games ago and it's not working now. RVP has to be dropped. Changing the CB position 3 times today was playing a dangerous game. The game was crying out for Herrera to come on but it didn't happen. I seen no shape or system in today's game with players all over the pitch.
We have the players to make a challenge but first we have to get right back to basics and play as a team.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Nov 8, 2014 18:18:34 GMT
Click the gear thing top right. Thanks, done. |
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Post by Nemanja79 on Nov 8, 2014 18:23:45 GMT
Januzaj is absolutely clueless. Not impressed with him at all I have to agree with this unfortunately. He looks out of his depth couple of games in a row, weak in duels and without end product. I don't know with what he deserved to be picked week and week out as well as what Robin van Persie has done wrong? He was one of the best vs City and he played very good today too. Also, scored an equalizer vs Chelsea. Not playing Herrera and playing di Maria out wide is a crime act! Mata needs to be involved as well as he was today, from the center. It would be 0-0 if he didn't take that shot! |
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Post by kordjazz on Nov 8, 2014 19:15:50 GMT
LVG really needs to get his acts together.. With the level of performance this win seems like a loss to me. The tactics was wrong. Fellaini had no business in this game as carrick was in already, di maria out wide and rooney deep was just wrong tactics. Poor performance!
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Post by Dave on Nov 8, 2014 19:49:18 GMT
McNair injured?
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Post by Hammy on Nov 8, 2014 20:22:44 GMT
With a hammy. Out for 3 weeks. Something seriously needs to be done about our training methods.
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Post by kordjazz on Nov 8, 2014 20:51:21 GMT
With a hammy. Out for 3 weeks. Something seriously needs to be done about our training methods. FAST!!! |
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Post by kordjazz on Nov 8, 2014 20:56:10 GMT
There's something going wrong somewhere. Either its the training or the tactics. If these issues are not addressed, it wil be a long season for us
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Post by Nemanja79 on Nov 9, 2014 0:32:05 GMT
Since we moved away from the 4-4-2 diamond, the players are too far stretched with big gaps between them. We used to press in numbers in the opposition half and that's impossible now because they are too far away from each others, just waiting that always someone else take responsibility of attacking the ball. It's very painfully noticeable that the ball goes wide too often, something we have seen a lot under Moyes, often without a closely available player in the middle. That wouldn't be such a bad thing if we actually have the wingers capable of penetrating through the flanks and doing something constructive with the fecking ball in their feet! Instead, our wingers are slowing down the play, standing with the ball in one spot and considering their options: "should I stay or should I go", "where to go, shall I left, shall I right, shall I dribble or maybe pass? But where to pass, backwards or sideways, they are not making any runs and even when they do, I need to think whether, where or when to pass to them!"
It's getting bloody ridiculous, even low table teams making quicker decisions and move the ball faster than our superstars do and taking much more risks when passing, shooting or dribbling!
Now, we're playing better than last season, that much is obvious, but we also have some fresh legs and last year Real Madrid's second best player (or third, whatever). We should be doing much better than this. Our supposed creative players should pick up some balls and take more riskier moves, otherwise this dull bullshit possession football without end product is going to continue. van Gaal says that he's happy with this formation, we're not scoring as much but we also not conceding. Well, it can work to some extent and against "smaller" sides, but it wont be so effective in big matches where you have a nervy, young, made of glass defense and attack in completely different light, where you should take advantage on that, your actual strength!
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Post by madhatter on Nov 9, 2014 2:53:57 GMT
The formation change really is a strange one. The reason behind it was apparently that we couldn't last a full 90 with a diamond. I'm not buying that, I think it's down to trying to fit Falcao, Rooney and Van Persie all in the one team, RvP and Radamel don't seem to the legs to complete a match anyway so what do you expect when you have the two of them together in a team and Rooney doesn't seem to have the energy for playing that deep where he has to run around midfield get forward and track back. I reckon that if Van Gaal went with Roo and either Januzaj (who has played too wide) or Wilson up front with Fellaini, Di Maria, Herrera and Blind in the diamond we'd have no bother lasting a full 90 especially with subs (Falcao/RvP, Mata, Carrick, Wilson/Januzaj, Valencia).
Alternatively a narrow 4-2-3-1 with Rooney/Mata playing behind Falcao/RvP (or even Mata playing behind Rooney) Di Maria and Herrera in the wide positions and Carrick and Blind in the center (could be a good partnership) we could get the best out of most of our players.
But the faltering performances against Leicester, West Ham and Everton where mainly down to the low fitness levels of Falcao, RvP and Shaw, the fact that Rojo, Blind, Herrera and Di Maria where just getting used to the prem and that Rooney was being asked to cover allot of ground don't think it had anything to do with the formation, kinda worried Van Gaal doesn't see that
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Post by kordjazz on Nov 9, 2014 5:50:44 GMT
Since we moved away from the 4-4-2 diamond, the players are too far stretched with big gaps between them. We used to press in numbers in the opposition half and that's impossible now because they are too far away from each others, just waiting that always someone else take responsibility of attacking the ball. It's very painfully noticeable that the ball goes wide too often, something we have seen a lot under Moyes, often without a closely available player in the middle. That wouldn't be such a bad thing if we actually have the wingers capable of penetrating through the flanks and doing something constructive with the fecking ball in their feet! Instead, our wingers are slowing down the play, standing with the ball in one spot and considering their options: "should I stay or should I go", "where to go, shall I left, shall I right, shall I dribble or maybe pass? But where to pass, backwards or sideways, they are not making any runs and even when they do, I need to think whether, where or when to pass to them!" It's getting bloody ridiculous, even low table teams making quicker decisions and move the ball faster than our superstars do and taking much more risks when passing, shooting or dribbling! Now, we're playing better than last season, that much is obvious, but we also have some fresh legs and last year Real Madrid's second best player (or third, whatever). We should be doing much better than this. Our supposed creative players should pick up some balls and take more riskier moves, otherwise this dull bullshit possession football without end product is going to continue. van Gaal says that he's happy with this formation, we're not scoring as much but we also not conceding. Well, it can work to some extent and against "smaller" sides, but it wont be so effective in big matches where you have a nervy, young, made of glass defense and attack in completely different light, where you should take advantage on that, your actual strength! RISK is what we are not taking. The players don't seem free to express themselves. I think the players are being too "tactics-oriented" and this hampers their creativity, intuition and confidence. Under SAF it was all about expression and less of tactical brain-storming. |
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Post by Splendid Spy on Nov 9, 2014 11:25:30 GMT
I've got a feeling that the players are really short in confidence at the moment. There was a moment after we have scored , late in the game, we kept playing backwards to DDG... the crowd were sensing this as well and a few boos were heard.
C'mon, it's just Palace and if we are afraid to attack and worried we might concede against them, how are we going to face tougher opponents? Not sure whether it's the tactics, the manager, the players ,fitness, etc... we need to sort it out and I thought we have ample time to do this as we are not in the CL. Looks like that's not the case. the international break after this is not helping either. Players will be missing. Our fixtures after this is not really easy... Arsenal, Southampton and Liverpool and if we don't improve , we might not get another win against them .
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Post by Jie on Nov 9, 2014 11:33:34 GMT
In other news, Falcao should be fit for the Arsenal game
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Post by Rach1986 on Nov 9, 2014 11:43:14 GMT
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Post by Oomtom on Nov 9, 2014 12:12:31 GMT
OK, So I know we have injury problems but Valencia playing at right back? With an opposition who wants to defend we need wingers who are willing and able to get behind them and make telling crosses.
Having huge possession sounds great but we are playing keep the ball across the pitch. Wayne Rooney playing so deep is a joke. Di Maria out of position. Fellaini needs a haircut to remind him where is Forehead is !
I watched the QPR game and they played with more attacking zeal than United have done most of the season.
Sorry to say but the entertainment value given out by United as Gone. I actually clipped my toenails whilst waiting for some real action.
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