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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 27, 2015 11:34:53 GMT

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Do think we need another continental competition (which is what the ASEAN super league should be, when they eventually get to it)

maybe it could serve as a europa league for the countries in east asia (so every team east of, including India)

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 27, 2015 22:11:35 GMT

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Boutique stadium needed: Roar chairman

Date March 28, 2015 - 1:00AM

Beth Newman

Brisbane Roar have enjoyed good times at Suncorp Stadium over the years, but the club says it's not always appropriate to their needs.

Roar chairman Chris Fong says there needs to be a plan for a second rectangular stadium in Brisbane.

While he didn't want to bite the hand that feeds the side, Fong said there was clearly a demand in the city for a smaller, boutique stadium.

The Suncorp Stadium pitch came under fire during January's Asian Cup for the quality of the surface, which was transitioning from summer to winter grass.

The Roar has been attracting small crowds to recent matches, partly attributable to scheduling, with their highest home crowd 17,131 against Melbourne City.

Their most recent match against the Western Sydney Wanderers attracted a Wednesday night crowd of 5,831.

"Firstly don't get me wrong, we like Suncorp we're very lucky with Suncorp. I think it's the best stadium in Australia," he said.

"The thing is it's too big and when we have problems like rescheduling for the Asian Cup and we move from Friday or Saturday night to a Wednesday night that really hurts us because people can't come from work etc but our costs are still the same," he said.

"We don't have that freedom to be able to go to a smaller second venue in Brisbane.

"Nobody wants to lose money and we're losing money because of that, because of the scheduling."

The lack of availability of an appropriate second venue also meant the Roar had to move their three Asian Champions League group games to the Gold Coast.

The high traffic on the Suncorp Stadium pitch in the back end of the A-League season with rugby league, rugby union and football matches all played at the ground causes concerns for the Roar's high-possession game.

While Fong wasn't demanding an immediate solution, he said there had to at least be consideration for a second rectangular ground, particularly when all three codes were scheduled on the same weekend.

"In the medium to long term there needs to be a plan for another venue," he said.

"We have situations at the back end of the season where for us it's got to be becoming very important because of what's happened (with results) and the quality of the pitch when you have last weekend it was terrible.

A spokesperson for Sports Minister Bill Byrne said there were no plans to invest in a smaller stadium for Brisbane.

A Suncorp Stadium spokesperson said the stadium continued to meet its hirers' needs.

"The venue is a multipurpose facility which continues to meet the requirements of all hirers on the field and in a commercial sense off the field," the spokesperson said.

www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/brisbane-roar/boutique-stadium-needed-roar-chairman-20150327-1m9jyp.html

sports minister needs to shut the fuck up and give us some money cause if the shitty broncos can get it, i can't see why we can't see some level of investment for the roar also.

Also the suncorp stadium pitch is shit 9/10 and we pay astronomical rent which is preventing the club from making profits i am pretty sure.Glad Chris Fong spoke out on this (did in a diplomatic matter also)

i say we buy Perry Park and have the Bakries invest some cash themselves or get members to contribute, also FFA (frank lowy mainly) can invest some money into the stadium, hell give him stadium sponsorship if needed (rename Perry Park into Westfield Arena or something)

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 4:32:56 GMT

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CEO David Gallop confirmed to The World Game this week that the governing body was not interested in courting teams from the likes of Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia or Hong Kong.

But the issue looks set to be raised again at a meeting between FFA and club bosses in Sydney on 9 April.

A team of UK-based consultants, led by influential English agent Jon Smith, has been working on the project for four months after being enlisted by Central Coast Mariners owner Mike Charlesworth to canvass the Asian Football Confederation (AFC), FIFA and FFA on the viability of expanding into the region.

Initial discussions with Gallop in Sydney in November were followed up by lengthy talks with AFC officials in Bahrain earlier this month and then FIFA representatives in Zurich last week.

The plan is supported by Brisbane Roar, Newcastle Jets, Adelaide United, Perth Glory, Western Sydney Wanderers and the City Football Group, which controls Melbourne City.

But, despite what Charlesworth says is positive feedback from both the Asian and world governing bodies, FFA's preference appears to be to keep A-League expansion within Australia ahead of the next TV deal in 2017.

Charlesworth, who received official confirmation from Gallop this week that the idea is a non-starter from FFA’s perspective, insisted it’s a mistake not to embrace a populous continent which he believes would bring added value to the competition.

"There’s probably a glass ceiling for growth of the A-League right now, or at least to a level that’s needed to compete successfully with the other football codes," Charlesworth said.

"Expansion north can tap into tens of millions of football fans, significant commercial opportunity and subsequently a raft of top EPL marquee players who have already expressed an interest in helping grow football across the region.

"If we truly want football to become the biggest sport in Australia we need to be more ambitious and this platform would not only help us achieve that but put domestic Aussie football on the global stage.

"I think we need to be less insular in our approach. The FFA's priority seems to be the national team ahead of the A-League."

Charlesworth’s representatives, on the advice of the AFC, also met with World Sports Group which is behind the ASEAN Super League, a concept which Singapore and Malaysia have already put forward to FIFA and invited Australia to allow its clubs to participate in.

Adelaide United chairman Greg Griffin is forthright in his backing of Asian expansion, declaring: "There's a good groundswell there. Mike Charlesworth has a really good team working with AFC and in the Asian countries.

"If it takes our league into more populous areas, we are very happy to support it. It would a terrific thing to see a team from Asia in our competition.

"We can’t say we are part of the region and then do nothing other than paying lip service. We need to collaborate and cooperate … and if the interest is there from Asian entrepreneurs who perhaps want to improve their standards by playing week-in week-out in what I think is a strong competition, we should do it.

"We should lose this defensive mentality that the A-League is only about building up Australian football … because it’s not.

"It’s about creating the best possible league we can and a return on the investment from the owners who have put in significant sums.

"If we can increase the popularity of the competition, get a better TV deal, that’s more important to me than the view that we would in some way be strengthening say Singapore by letting them in. That argument is nonsensical, and I reject it."

Griffin believes domestic expansion has its limits, adding: "You can bring teams into places in Australia, but if they go broke who’s going to pick it up … if you are going to do it needs to be in the right location.

"Melbourne Heart didn’t work and wouldn’t have worked but for the buyout from the City Football Group, but there is clearly scope in Victoria outside the CBD. That’s a non-brainer ... when you look at somewhere like Geelong. Why that is not being pursued is beyond me.

"I would personally love to see two more teams from Australia and two in from Asia at some stage … 14 would be a terrific number."

Brendan Schwab, Special Counsel for Professional Footballers Australia (PFA), is less bullish about pushing the boundaries of the A-League.

He said: "Clearly it’s a complex issue … we would need to be satisfied that it is commercially and strategically sensible.

"It would need to be very carefully scrutinised in terms of broadcast rights, player welfare, cost of travel and footballing considerations.

"We only have to look at difficulties we have balancing Asian Champions League schedules to realise what problems would be associated with that.

"It’s important to focus on the sustainability of the 10-team competition you already have and look at moving into areas within Australia that are heartlands of the game.

"But in football you should never say anything is impossible. However, Asian expansion would be extremely ambitious and would be something we wouldn’t foreshadow happening in the near future."

thank fuck for that. these countries have their own football association and the travel would be ridiculous, NZ is the furthest that we should go (even with them travel is a pain in the ass, travel is a pain in the ass going from the east coast to perth as it is)

they are talking about bring in about 4 teams. Canberra, Wollongong and Ipswich or West Brisbane (i.e. Springfield) seem likely, not sure where the 4th team would be from (Auckland City would be a given if NZF got their shit together and applied to be apart of the AFC, it will do football in New Zealand a whole lot of good thats for sure)

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 10:38:32 GMT

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Melbourne City 1-0 Brisbane Roar

#thissjenout #barkriesout #dobsonout #fongout #petratosout #steadout #denout

We need a complete board clean out and staff clean out (almost), as well as some halfway competent active support who understand that a pub crawl, stealing chants from other teams (and of which only 20% actually chant) and standing around isn't proper active support. still want that sing or fuck off rule to be there. honestly its a must, no more passengers there.

the Bakries seriously want asian expansion and want to undermine literally every other south east asian football confederation by doing this, as well as the fact that they have put fuck all expenditure into this team (even when we were winning). they can fuck off, Fong always states what the fans wants, but does sweet fuck all to actually working towards an actual plan (like he said they're looking at the stadium, but he basically said they won't do anything unless it falls from the sky, not in those works but it may as well have been that, no plans of meetings, or even meeting suncorp management etc). Dobson and Stead are just cancers who have no business in football (just a bunch of suits who have no fucking idea, i understand the need for people with business sense, but these two haven't done anything on that front either)

oh yeah, and Dimi thinks he's Cristiano Ronaldo without a 100th of the skill (even thats being generous). He is selfish, doesn't look to pass, holds up play and takes 40 feet shots that don't go near the goal.

then theirs thissjen, the man doesn't use substitutions at all (we didn't a single one this game, despite our tough schedule), we can't finish in the final third, silly mistakes in our midfield game (despite dominating midfield towards the end) and this idiot has the audacity to pick a shitty selfish petratos.

The sooner all these cancers can get out of the team, we get an owner who is truly passionate about football and the club (or even get a consortium of football people and corporates who know what they are doing) then we will be all good

City are playing in the finals this year, but they also need to get rid of JVS, they were really bad also, any other team would have won 5-0, or even by more. Give them a half decent manager (i think look overseas, with someone with australian knowledge also) or maybe even hire a guy like Aurelio Vidmar/Ante Milicic (their old assistant ironically enough), especially the latter, he is the socceroos current assistant and was a great assistant with the wanderers, when they had most of their success (and know they are terrible). So i think with the resources city have, they could be a force with the right man at the helm (obviously)

I will give credit to Brattan, who tried so hard, he gave it his all, he deserves so much better than this crap, being played out of position one game, being the only DM (and he isn't a defensive stopper like a Jedinak, he is a deep lying playmaker, that is his strength)

Crowd: 9561 (its an improvement at least, but the city fans have been pretty fair-weather)

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 11:24:02 GMT

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My plan for the Roar (off the pitch, on the pitch i think its clear we need improvement in all places)

Stadium:

One of two options:
1. We get the FFA to partially fund the upgrade of Perry Park to hold 20-25k, and the stadium to be fully managed by the roar and FFA (rules are if a stadium holds over 15k, it is owned by stadiums queensland, however if someone partially funds it, it at least can be managed by them) we would also get a good rent rate, that would be super low. Prime location and Bowen Hills Train station down the road is one of the 3 hubs for all trains, so all lines, north, south, east and west pass through here, it literally doesn't get any better for public transport, even better than Milton, as it would require no train changes for southside, northside or eastside passengers.
2. Start pestering, and i mean almost down right threatening suncorp management to get their shit together when it comes to the pitch or else they will get them fired for being incompetent. No one deserves to lose their job, if they are doing it right at least.

Manager: Out of the Australian candidates, only Ante Milicic is worth it, i think we should look at a Spanish, Portugese or latin american manager (Stereotyping here, just a manager who manages the passing style well), given the way we want to play (proper passing football, 4-3-3 sort) with an australian assistant to assist with knowledge (what Adelaide did with Valkanis), Jeff Hopkins is fantastic in this way and he should stick around as he is a fantastic assistant manager.

Chairman: Someone with Very good financial understanding and is a good footballing person

Managing Director: Must have a passion for football, the city of brisbane and want football in Brisbane to grow, also a person who is realistic however and isn't pushing pipe dreams, financial control, fan interaction, charisma and corporate knowledge is a must. A person who is charismatic and has his pulse on the issues at the club, and is willing to try his best for the club to get the desired results to take this team forward (whether that is taking on the government for funding, the footballing governing bodies and stadium management).

Footballing Director:Footballing knowledge and passion. He is the footballing director, he should have his pulse on all the footballing teams from seniors all the way down the youth teams. Also, like the managing director, fan interaction is essential, whether that be via social media, or just going around and asking honest opinions. Should be very familiar to the coaching staff (maybe not the players though, they should be going to the managers for answers really).

Underage squads: Go talk to the FFA in Sydney, and see if we can get underage squads down to Under 12's or Under 9's (if we are that serious about youth). That way we can at least keep kids and monitor our own youth and get them to a standard where they can be future socceroos and world class players which we can sell off for huge profits and even beenfit from in the future. I think this would make a difference, so it would be i guess U21's (NYL & NPL div 1) U18's (Brisbane Premier League), U15's (Brisbane Prem, div 2 or 3), U12's & U9's (Rebel Youth League i believe). I am sure the FFA would be happy to do this, yes to maintain this structure, it would be quiet costly, but given the future benefits of it, i think its something that needs to be done by not only us, but by all clubs, if all clubs did this in the a-league, pro/rel or not, the players we produced would be on par with at least japan the the states, maybe even some of the middle to top tier european countries, talent that surpasses the golden generation.

Advertising & Marketing:This needs to go up ten-fold. it really does, TV ads, billboards, get radio in on it, shopping centre giveaways, school appearances to promote football, you name it, we should do it. we need publicity, it isn't terrible but it isn't nearly on the level of lets say the broncos.

A Clear and concrete vision & plan: We have a half assed one of being the best in asia, since we haven't gotten out of the group stage of the ACL ever, you can see where this issue arises, make a plan, state how you will achieve this in a PDF or something, and put it out for the public to see (complete transparency also) This includes stadium plans, management objectives and finances.

Fans and Fan Engagement: The most important part of any football club is the fans right, so making sure the active component is up to standard is key here. Would be happy for compulsory chanting to be done in these areas (at the end of the day, if you aren't contributing to it and are just happy to watch, you can move to another part of the stadium). In saying that, would also encourage more chants (so long as they aren't offensive or anything) even maybe get the directors, managers and players in on creating some chants, make competitions etc for best chant, something fun which makes fans happy and encourages more members, cause at the end of the day its about the total footballing experience right.

Emphasis on the W-League & NYL teams: Go to the FFA and if it will save on some costs, get them to at least, if only some games, get them to play before the senior team (for both home and away games). With teams wanting to withdraw from the NYL, it could be a viable solution.

This is a pipe dream one as we really can't choose our owners, but in an ideal world:

50% owned by a consortium of businessmen (or just a group akin the bakries financially)/50% owned by the fans: You get the corporate knowledge as well as that fan passion, an even half and half. So the members will own half the club and a consortium, the other half. This would force discussion between both fans and management of the club as to how the club is run in every fashion. It puts onus on the fans without seriously financially jepordising the club financially through poor financial decisions (as would be expected from sound financial planning and good business decisions of a business consortium, you don't want to jepordise your investment). Best of both worlds (at least in theory).

Splendid Spy Senior Member Posts: 1,424	Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 11:50:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Splendid Spy on Mar 28, 2015 11:50:42 GMT Malaysia 0 Oman 6. Malaysia's coach Dollah Salleh : "Ref's fault for the loss". Typical Malaysian mentality. Just admit our team were poor , move on and improve.

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 11:54:15 GMT

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On the Pitch Solutions for the Roar:

Absolutely Essential:

New Left Back: We've needed one for years

New Defensive Midfielder:Someone who can play next to Brattan and compliment his style (deep-lying playmaker), so more of an enforcer, would be tempted, if we don't let Brattan expire, to get McKay to play deeper and be a more combative CM (he is super hard working, only thing he isn't a DM). If Tinkler doesn't pay up, Kantarovski from the jets would be a really good addition next to Brattan.

New Wingers:Both wingers, i can see Broich is getting slower, and at 35 he wouldn't be a bad #10 (Trequenista). We could use

Blooding Youth:If there is one thing that Thissjen has gotten right, its the continued blooding of youth (Borello, Clut etc), need to see more Brady and Jackson next season as well as other good youth players, maybe even bringing back Jai Ingham from Victoria.

Probably Need

Target Striker:Kaulerovic hasn't been doing it, has gotten goals, but when he hasn't, he's been highly ineffectual, we would need a striker to be more then just a target man. We have good back ups right now (Borello ain't ready, Henrique, despite the goals as striker, is a #10 and Solorzano is a good backup over the front 3, not a starter on a winning squad though)

Possible additions:

New Right Back:Lets get this straight, Polenz has been a waste of a foreign place so far. Hingert has shown quality though when he has come on though so maybe we don't need to get one, ideally it would be good, if the Jets don't get pay their players and the FFA take over (do believe the players would be free to leave), would not mind getting Scott Neville at all. One of the most underrated in the league

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 11:56:02 GMT

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Mar 28, 2015 11:50:42 GMT Splendid Spy said:

Malaysia 0 Oman 6.

Malaysia's coach Dollah Salleh : "Ref's fault for the loss". Typical Malaysian mentality. Just admit our team were poor , move on and improve.

6-0 against Oman, i'm sorry thats a sackable offense right there.

Maybe Malaysia shouldn't try so much for the best quality, maybe just get the players who will actually play for the jersey (even if they would only make the 2nd or 3rd string otherwise). At least they would try hard and not lose by this much.

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 12:10:49 GMT

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Our players are too emotional. Everytime when things aren't going their way, 1 or 2 players will take matters into their own hands and find themselves getting sent off. It seems Safiq Rahim got himself red carded for arguing with the ref. Silly. We have adopted the blame everyone except ourselves mentality. Furthermore, the players over here have too much power imo...certain 'star' players. All the coaches are just dummy and the FA have godlike power as they decide who gets picked to the squad.

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 12:17:51 GMT

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Mar 28, 2015 12:10:49 GMT Splendid Spy said:

Our players are too emotional. Everytime when things aren't going their way, 1 or 2 players will take matters into their own hands and find themselves getting sent off. It seems Safiq Rahim got himself red carded for arguing with the ref. Silly. We have adopted the blame everyone except ourselves mentality. Furthermore, the players over here have too much power imo...certain 'star' players. All the coaches are just dummy and the FA have godlike power as they decide who gets picked to the squad.

then they need to be dropped for being complete idiots for being sent off for temper tantrums in the first place.

Get a manager with real power who won't take any shit, and the FA's (all of them) as well as the Malaysian FA needs to let him do his thing. If that manager is half decent, he would at least get them playing better football.

as for these players holding the power, if they want to be petulant brats, they should leave them out. I think every national team has been through that stage, and it only got better once you stop selecting these players and selecting players who will play for the pride of the nation

Did Gan at least get a chance to play?

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 12:27:55 GMT

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well, we are not really ambitious. The FA are always happy if we are the best in the S.E.A region. They thought getting 2nd in the recent AFF suzuki cup means we were doing things correctly. In reality, there were so many issues before the tournament began. Players bonuses, players who were not in their best of form being picked , coach didn't have full authority ,etc... and in the end, we almost won the whole darn thing. the FA might be thinking,... yea, we are running things well over here.

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Asian/Australasian Football Discussion Mar 28, 2015 12:44:20 GMT

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Mar 28, 2015 12:27:55 GMT Splendid Spy said:

well, we are not really ambitious. The FA are always happy if we are the best in the S.E.A region. They thought getting 2nd in the recent AFF suzuki cup means we were doing things correctly. In reality, there were so many issues before the tournament began. Players bonuses, players who were not in their best of form being picked , coach didn't have full authority ,etc... and in the end, we almost won the whole darn thing. the FA might be thinking,... yea, we are running things well over here.

Well then they're just thick, what is the reaction of the fans? (football fans in malaysia are certainly passionate, at least to prem)

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