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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 20:58:10 GMT
Is Mourinho the answer? Some interesting points for me. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35511821I don't necessarily think he's the answer but he's certainly an answer. I would've had him as first choice in December during that awful run but have softened that stance slightly after we've improved a little in the new year. I like the point it makes about his supposedly drab style of football. IMO Mourinho plays certain tactics for certain opponents. His more defensive setups tend to come in big games and more often than not he's successful. He's normally pretty good at destroying the lesser sides. From my memory every side he's managed has played pretty decent football on the whole. I like the fact he isn't afraid of giving up possession in the big games with the aim of hitting the opposition on the break. It's sensible and unapologetic management with the ultimate aim of giving his side the best chance of winning the game. My reservations with him have never lied with his supposed brand of football. For me the obstacles are getting him to integrate youth more than he has in the past and getting him to not be quite so much of a twat off the pitch. Being a bit of a twat is no problem but he oversteps the mark too often. LVG has the perfect amount of twattishness. If he can agree to adhere to those 2 things then there's no reason why he can't be a success here and maybe stay here longer than he has any other club in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 22:20:23 GMT
Depends what you want and how you want it done. I believe him to be a self centred user, a divisive man manager and not a creator, builder or unifier. He then runs out of steam and leaves. Sure you might get temporary glory back but what then? Rinse and repeat, again, and again?
It might be that he finally settles at OT under the nose of SAF, spurred on by what SAF achieved and how he achieved it, and grows into a more rounded character and a more complete football manager and grows the will to develop the new youth system we need. Just don't see the evidence so far and I don't know enough about the guy and his head workings to speculate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:11:58 GMT
Yeah, there's a lot of ifs and buts with him. If I could look into my crystal ball and see that he'd end up the exact same way here as he has at previous clubs then I'd stay away from him, I don't want a temporary solution. If he could adapt, finally settle down and put the needs of a club before himself then he could be a huge success but again, there's a lot of if's. It'll be a huge risk taking him on but to be honest, whoever we take next is going to have a certain level of risk attached to them.
I'm personally still holding out hope we can prise Pochettino away from Spurs. He fits the bill perfectly IMO but I won't be disappointed if we go down the Mourinho route. It'll be incredibly intriguing seeing how (or if) he can adapt to the role if nothing else.
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Post by spens1 on Feb 6, 2016 23:43:37 GMT
the way he left wasn't exactly the greatest so no way he'll want to go back |
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Post by charlie911 on Feb 7, 2016 8:05:12 GMT
According to Gianluca Di Marzio we are interested in getting a Director of Football to partner Mourinho and we are trying to tempt Andrea Berta from Atletico Madrid. That would probably be a big step forward in terms of how the club is run instead of leaving these types of things to Woodward. We will wait and see how it all unfolds, it's annoying though that the glazers and Woodward are reactionary instead of planning ahead but hopefully this is a way of trying to get the football club to being a football club again.
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Post by Hammy on Feb 7, 2016 10:11:21 GMT
Pep going to Shity changes everything for me. I don't think Giggs is ready to take on the likes of Pep and Klopp. I wouldn't trust the likes of Allegri or Conte because as VG has found out to his peril the premier league is like no other in the world and it needs a special type of character to be successful. Would Ranieri have been as successful at Leicester if he didn't have 4 or 5 seasons of PL experience with Chelski? No way in hell. It took him that time to realise what needed to be done. We can't afford to give the next manager that amount of time to get things right, which is why as much as I don't want him I think Mou is the only man for the job  Pochittino would still be my number one choice but there's still a niggling doubt whether or not he could hack it at the highest level. We know Mou can. Pep, Klopp and Ancelloti for whatever reasons have gone to other clubs, 2 of them to our most hated rivals. We try and experiment with the next manager and it goes tits up then basically we're fucked. Of course we won't go down Leeds or Forest path and disappear altogether but it could be a distinct possibility that the best we could hope for would be qualifying for the CL season after season instead of fighting for the title, which is why I'd be prepared to grin and bear Mourinho for a couple of seasons. |
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Post by Red Or Dead on Feb 7, 2016 10:21:57 GMT
Just to put a different spin on things...how about seeing Cantona in the dugout in whatever role? His passion combined with his status at the club is what's needed for me ,albeit the lack of proper managerial experience but it could work? He loves the UTD way...Zidane got his stripes in the B team at Madrid and is now manager born outta passion.
The return of The King to bail us out? The Saviour from above again?
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Post by hakam on Feb 7, 2016 10:36:49 GMT
how about seeing Cantona in the dugout Does he have managerial experience? |
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Post by Red Or Dead on Feb 7, 2016 10:52:15 GMT
Only at NY Cosmos in real football and also the French beach soccer team which he was given for his passion and commitment
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Post by Mani Khatra on Feb 7, 2016 11:02:29 GMT
Cantona as a manager no. But as figure head of some kind. Like the role Zidane had before the b team then yea.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 11:05:21 GMT
He's never showed any interest in football tbh, I don't even think he's got his coaching badges. So, no. :lol:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 11:15:42 GMT
the French beach soccer team which he was given for his passion and commitment I'm sorry but :lol: |
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Post by Red Or Dead on Feb 7, 2016 11:29:34 GMT
the French beach soccer team which he was given for his passion and commitment I'm sorry but :lol: I feel sorry for (lately I would call) PL fans that are used to success under SAF, it must be hard. I While the rest of us are clutching at straws to make sure this club of ours isn't left behind with the movement of the clubs around us, people are still thinking that we have a right to who or whatsoever. Ding-ding, we need to make a move, anyone's passion is welcome now say I. Just someone who believes in the club and values the way football has progressed in a monetary way and who can take us forward regardless of money and the current way football has gone, then we can hold our hands up and say whether we win or lose that we did it the UTD way. No matter who comes in we cannot lose our identity and passion that makes us what we are...fighters, rebuilders and survivors, that's what makes us as great as we are... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 11:58:00 GMT
I'm laughing at the fact when questioned about Cantona's managerial experience you brought up the fact he coached the French beach soccer team.
And if that's the case then why would anyone go for Cantona and not Giggs?
I don't think you can call someone who is only used to Fergie a newbie fan. I was only used to Fergie but I've been a fan for 20 years, definitely not a newbie.
I don't clutch on to hope of one day getting back to playing like we did under Fergie or in the United way either. I still think people need to move on and accept change and difference. The only reason LVG is going to lose his job is because his brand of football has started to become less productive and successful, and he hasn't shown enough of a willingness to alter it (despite some improvements over the last month).
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Post by Red Or Dead on Feb 7, 2016 12:21:50 GMT
I agree with many points made, but following a successful club under one successful manager for twenty years is still classed by many as easy.
Now is the time to dig deep again as many of us have done before SAF's reign to support a club during it's stuttering years to give our all to this club no matter what and whoever can come in to replicate the passion which is apparently lost by the boo-boys at OT.
Cantona has that poetic passion for the club and could well help us going forward, anyone's passion at that level is what will drive us forward.
Imagine a legend that is Cantona in a dressing room in whatever capacity in a prematch speech?
Ideology I know, but we need that beauty that is Man Utd back in that dressing room, what it means to put on that shirt and what that shirt represents to ALL of us.
Especially today when we remember what we have lost.
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