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Post by Hammy on May 3, 2016 21:51:14 GMT
I think Simeone would struggle in the PL just like Van Gormless one, especially at a club like United whose history demands we play a certain way. Even big Sam said his football was boring so that seals it for me :lol: I wouldn't want either Simeone or Mou but if I had to choose one it would be Mou who has proved he's got what it takes to manage in the PL and let's face it, when Chelski were winning titles their football wasn't that hard on the eye. All respect to Simeone on what's he's achieved but he's the last manager I'd want to see at United. Including Xavi in a recent interview said a top club should never play the way Athletico play. When someone of his stature says something like that people should listen
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Post by Dave on May 3, 2016 22:56:43 GMT
I have huge admiration for Simeone's Atletico and as a neutral love watching them play but I'm not how I'd feel about having it in our own backyard. For sure we could do with certain aspects of his style but he'd need to adapt and I'm not sure he would.
In a perfect world neither he or Mou suit the 'United' way that said I'd take him over Mourinho for his youth development alone.
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Post by germanc18 on May 4, 2016 7:21:45 GMT
I think Simeone would struggle in the PL just like Van Gormless one, especially at a club like United whose history demands we play a certain way. Even big Sam said his football was boring so that seals it for me :lol: I wouldn't want either Simeone or Mou but if I had to choose one it would be Mou who has proved he's got what it takes to manage in the PL and let's face it, when Chelski were winning titles their football wasn't that hard on the eye. All respect to Simeone on what's he's achieved but he's the last manager I'd want to see at United. Including Xavi in a recent interview said a top club should never play the way Athletico play. When someone of his stature says something like that people should listen agree with almost everything
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Post by germanc18 on May 4, 2016 7:33:04 GMT
It is hard to really say what to do, as there seem no perfect fit out there. Pochettino might come the closet but is certainly not available.
Other options are all a compromise. Mou and Simeone have been mentioned but what are the alternatives?
Giggs? A lot of pro's in terms of identity, youth development could be expected, he knows United inside out, would probably have the backing of the players but his managerial inexperience (on his own responsibility) is a huge issue. On the other hand he had a long spell as assistant which is not zero experience especially who he learned from. Could be the closest if we see returning to our Identity as the major goal.
And then honestly I see no one else which could lead to the concl. that LVG will see out his 3 year contract.
If we want the succes to come back the quickest (at least temporary), Mou would maybe the one but I am not yet ready to accept that with all the negatives that come along ;-)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 9:00:34 GMT
Yeah we're in a shitty situation. LVG in no way deserves to stay next season but you could just understand the reasoning in keeping him because there aren't any brilliant options out there. Not saying Jose isn't a great manager but he's not the sort of manager you think is perfect for United. Although he may be perfect for this group of players in terms of igniting some fire into them.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 9:08:17 GMT
Giggs with Fergie overseeing would be the only viable option for Giggs. But it's going to come down to what they can hammer out with Mourinho in terms of vision. If they can reach a deal that satisfies the club and him personally then you'd have to say they would go with it. If not, you can see LvG doing his final year.
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Post by hakam on May 4, 2016 9:08:33 GMT
If I were a top rated player yearning for titles, I wouldn't risk signing for Man U with LVG at the helm. That's where Jose's influence shines. Players just love playing for him. Having him as boss next season will surely see an influx of great players who wouldn't dream of signing otherwise. Another point... A proven winner is what we need. I believe that Jose is our best bet for next year.
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Post by germanc18 on May 4, 2016 19:00:13 GMT
for the short term yes, long term I seriuosly doubt he is good for the club. Are we patient enough to do it right from next season? I guess not given the most opinions I recognise. Most are ready to sacrifice our identity for instant success
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Post by Jie on May 4, 2016 19:26:12 GMT
I love Simeone's style, but I think that wouldn't work anywhere else but with Atletico, but we can definitely use some of their explosive counter-attacks. Our defensive record is pretty impressive despite all the injuries so I'm not worried about it.
As for Mourinho, I'd roll the red carpet myself, but from all accounts so far it looks like Van Gaal is here to see out his contract and if that's the case we'd be in big trouble next year.
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Post by Hammy on May 4, 2016 21:32:21 GMT
I really can't see the point in VG staying. He's proved his style of management isn't a success in the PL so for it to work either the PL has to change its style or VG will have to change his. Which is more plausible? That's right. None of the above. If he did stay would he be given another war chest? Of course he would but the problem with that is since it would be his last year when the new manager comes in he'll want to form his own squad so will probably get rid of a lot of players VG has brought making it a useless excercise both in terms of money and wasting another year trying to get us back to the top. Other than Simeone I've reached the stage were I don't care who we bring in as long as VG isn't at the helm next season. Since the 2 best options (for our style of play) have gone as in Klopp and Pep we're going to be picking up scraps anyway. Mou is a proven, successful manager but we all seen what happened with him at Chelski and in his time at Madrid. With him it's not explosions but implosions, meaning there's always feuds going on behind the scenes. Big risk to take. If Pochettino can't be had then I wouldn't have a problem with Giggs. As Germanc has said he doesn't have managerial experience but he spent all of his career learning from the master. At the end of the day what do we really have to lose? Is that more risky than bringing in someone like Mou or bringing in a big name from other countries who don't have the foggiest about our club or the PL? The more I think about it the more inclined I am to go for Giggs with a little help from Sir Alex.
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Post by germanc18 on May 6, 2016 7:00:20 GMT
It is often said Carlos Queiroz was the tactical mastermind behind many of Fergies heroics. Warren Joyce is proving game after game that he knows what's the United way. Him as a assistant to Giggs would make sure we return to the United way of football and would also assure we give our academy players chances. Whether Giggs attracts top player and brings us to the top immediatley (I doubt any would do that) is a different question but I'd rather return to the top by a longer healthy road than by Heave-ho of Mou who then leaves scorched earth and we begin again.
Mou is seen by many as a proven manager (he is) who brings back titels latest 2 years but theres no assurance. This a diffrent case. We are far of the top in terms of squad.
We all know Giggs is a risk but at the same time a chance where all other candidates are certain to not fit in way one or the other. In the absence of a better alternative I'd be happy to support Giggs as of next season.
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Post by matt on May 7, 2016 9:59:04 GMT
It is often said Carlos Queiroz was the tactical mastermind behind many of Fergies heroics In my books, I've no problems with Giggs becoming our new manager, but on the sole condition that he is assisted by brilliant footballing minds (hence why I quoted that part). I don't doubt Giggs's man-managing qualities as such, though still unproven, but I would wonder where this leaves us against experienced and proven managers, some of whom are tactical masters like Klopp, Conte, Guardiola, Pochettino, Wenger,... The league next year and the year after will be ridiculously tough and competitive, and I just want to be certain that we're going to be competitive no matter who is in charge or we will stay at the top of the mid-table for a long-time. Next season is a transition not only for ourselves, but for this league and Europe as a whole. I expect English clubs to climb back slowly to the top, it would be foolish to be unprepared and left further behind. So why not appoint Giggs to ensure continuity? It is indeed a rational solution. But only if he is well assisted on the tactical front to make sure we remain competitive from day 1. I am among those who think man-managing is more important than the rest, but against the top teams you've got to be prepared, and to LVG's credit, that is his biggest strength. Leicester and Atletico have proven just that imo: passion and determination remain the key factor in football, but make no mistake both Ranieri and Simeone have good tacticians helping them and are excellent tactitians themselves. And that's where I still doubt Giggs, reasonably so because he hasn't proven anything and has never had to manage a team for a season. I would dream of seeing Giggs and Neville or Scholesy be there for the "coaching" part, having those three legends dictate life at Carrington, to show how things are done and ensure the continuity of what SAF created, the spirit he gave to this club. But at the same time, football is no longer that "easy": who will organise us on the pitch, set up the appropriate defensive or attacking tactics and schemes for when we face Guardiola or Conte? Who will join them and assist them? I personally don't think they can solely take us to the top, although I would appreciate their positive influence on maintaining SAF's legacy.
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Post by Jie on May 8, 2016 5:52:20 GMT
Giggs and Warren Joyce would be the dream duo, but given the last three seasons we've had I really hope it remains a dream. Or maybe on a much later phase when we have stabilized our position in the league - right now it looks like United are fighting tooth and nail to remain one of the top 4 teams and with all the world class managers coming in + a few surprises like Leicester, I think it is not the right time to be playing long-term solutions. I don't have a problem with Mourinho taking over - he's nobody's favorite person, but I think giving chances to youth can be negotiated and he is a proven winner.
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Post by hakam on May 8, 2016 10:27:26 GMT
If LVG is allowed to continue next year, then bye bye Jose. He will not wait and ANY club in the world would take him at HIS terms. It would be a grave mistake not to get him now if we, as a club, want success.
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Post by Paul Langseth on May 9, 2016 1:43:54 GMT
I agree that should the offer be made to Giggs and he accepts then we should hire Giggs, because he's been learning over the past few seasons, he likely would be able to pick Fergie's incredible football brain, he knows Man Utd inside out, he's dedicated to Man Utd and this last means he knows the club comes first and not the manager.
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