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Post by rico on Jan 14, 2015 15:25:47 GMT
yeah i think we really need him,because we only have v persie and wilson and both is never an option ..
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2015 18:55:39 GMT
Come again?
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Post by Red Or Dead on Jan 14, 2015 19:31:51 GMT
yeah i think we really need him,because we only have v persie and wilson and both is never an option ..
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 15, 2015 20:59:14 GMT
My proof is spread all over the season in 95% of the matches played, including those with midfielders playing centerbacks and, like I said, Liverpool game when we were shambolic defensively and didn't concede only because of their incompetent attackers (including one idiot in Ballo) and our competent goalie. If we were playing any other better team with a bit more competent attack on that day, like Real, Barca, Bayern, PSG, Juve, AC Milan, Palermo, Hull, Luton, or Accrington Stanley, we would've been spanked badly! The truth is, we are riding our luck this season most of the time, helped by the shitness of the others we've played against as well. When you watch bunch of tarts week in week out, incapable of living under pressure and making severe errors as a result, then it's fair to say that something needs to be changed, whether their mindset or themselves as a complete packages, replaced with something more competent for the stature of this glorious club!
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Post by StrikerMo on Jan 17, 2015 13:31:40 GMT
Carrick played center back because of injuries... and did quite well too.
We've conceded one more than City and two more than Chelsea...
Sure we've been prone to some defensive errors, but so has every other team in the PL.
You're prone to a lot of hyperbole claiming that Milan, Palermo, Hull, Luton, and Acc Stanley have a more competent attack than Liverpool- A team that we beat comprehensively.
I have no problem adding a player like Godin, Varane, or Hummels, but to call our current defenders tarts is distasteful at best. Fine- you don't think they're good enough, but what gives you the impression that it's ok to spew stupidity like that? I think you might be taking a child's game just a bit too seriously.
Do you really think we're as poor as you're letting on?
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Post by Red Or Dead on Jan 18, 2015 4:24:56 GMT
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Post by StrikerMo on Jan 18, 2015 7:29:47 GMT
(sheep)
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Post by matt on Jan 18, 2015 12:24:08 GMT
The truth is, we are riding our luck this season most of the time I see where you're coming from Nemanja, but I only partly agree with that statement. Yes, there are things that we can improve at the back, but as StrikerMo so rightly said, we are just as good as City and Chelsea at the back stats wise, and if this wasn't for that stupid Leicester game, we would have the second best defence after Soton. So how come our defence is to blame while it looks as if Chelsea and City are cruising? My point, as I said in another thread, is: not all the blame should go to our defence. How about looking at what our front line is doing? How about RVP's wasted chances Vs Spurs ? How about Falcao's wasting chances yeserday against QPR? When the game drags on until the 60th minute and we haven't scored,every team will feel they can make it against us and push harder than they usually would. If our strikers could convert their chances and put the game to bed soon enough, I am sure it would be a completely different story. Now I am not blaming our strikers only either, because there is also a lack of service due to that awkward midfield three of Mata/Rooney/Carrick and the gap it leaves in between our lines (Carrick too deep, while Rooney/Mata are too high). Right now, I believe we're crying out for balance and it is affecting our game. It's not even about LVG using 5-3-2. It's about LVG using 5-3-2 with the wrong personel. First in our wing backs position, where the selected players must offer a lot more forward instead of focusing so tightly on their defensive positioning (Young, in that regard, had an excellent game against Spurs and showed how 5-3-2 can be very effective if played the right way). Then, the midfield must be able to retain possession calmly, play very compact, and be able to launch quick counter attacking football. Right now it seems possession is the only thing our cm can do, but with no end-product. That's an improvement on last year, but that's still not enough at all. Herrera could solve some issue, and yet he is being left on the bench for whatever reasons. All in all, right now I am sure the defence is not the issue. It looks more to me as the ideal culprit, when our real issues are further up the pitch. It brings me back on topic: would I buy Falcao? - if LVG plays the very same football for the next few years, then no I would not buy him, and I would buy a powerful Benteke or Lukaku to collect all the long balls we are throwing or to be at the end of the meaningless crosses we can put at times. - if LVG decides to either drop the 5 at the back, OR to use it with the appropriate players, then Falcao could be ideal, because despite him being a bit wasteful, he is a very good player, works hard, is NOT selfish like RVP, and contributes a lot to our buildup play. That being said: would I put 50M to buy a 29 y.o. ? No , definitely not.
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Post by StrikerMo on Jan 18, 2015 12:35:18 GMT
somebody on here speaking sense? Surely not.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 18, 2015 12:48:26 GMT
Carrick played center back because of injuries... and did quite well too. We've conceded one more than City and two more than Chelsea... Sure we've been prone to some defensive errors, but so has every other team in the PL. You're prone to a lot of hyperbole claiming that Milan, Palermo, Hull, Luton, and Acc Stanley have a more competent attack than Liverpool- A team that we beat comprehensively. I have no problem adding a player like Godin, Varane, or Hummels, but to call our current defenders tarts is distasteful at best. Fine- you don't think they're good enough, but what gives you the impression that it's ok to spew stupidity like that? I think you might be taking a child's game just a bit too seriously. Do you really think we're as poor as you're letting on? Well, I'm sorry to be passionate about the club I support for 23 years! The reason I called them tarts is to be seen on the pitch every week. Only a tart wouldn't stand up against someone who's kicking, pushing and bullying you around like one situation with Jones and Austin yesterday. He's been pushed, kicked from behind and didn't do a shit to turn around and have a word with him. Yeah, I'm noticing details like that which you couldn't see in the past with Stam, Rio, Vidić, O'Shea, Brown, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Evra etc around. I don't remember in the past players going to hospital just because of some miserable kick in the ankle or similar minor shit! The only ones I don't have a right to call a tart/sissy are Rafael and Rojo, but even Rafa while being man enough have too much hospital days for my liking! They're picking an odd knock and not playing for a month! Is that not characteristic of a tart? How about playing under pressure? Do you not see a constant running away from responsibility at the back. I mean, you're a human being and it's normal to make mistake from time to time, but when you let one-two mistakes to affect your confidence so badly that you're unable to make a simple pass forward through the opposite attack line, even when you have player(s) available, then that's a good enough proof to me and a clear indication of a tart around, unable to pick up his shit, man up and move on! About the competence of Milan's and Palermo's attack force, well, El Shaarawy, Jeremy Menez and Paulo Dybala are more competent than Balloteli, Lambert and Borini which is, fair enough, my subjective opinion but it was just a piss take out of Liverpool's ineptness in front of de Gea (examples Hull, Accrington) rather than my personal beliefs that they are really better. I have some angry moments of madness but I'm not that much of an idiot to really believe that. And yes, I think they are not good enough and should be sold and replaced with a better players, which is again my belief and personal right to say. Maybe they would be good enough if it wasn't for constant injuries but it's not the point in IF's and BUT's and what would be, isn't it? The evidence on the pitch suggests that they are not good enough, for this or that reason - not reading the game good enough, being too much of a sissies, unable to stand up, clear the dust confront provocateurs and move on quickly, not being good enough on the ball especially under pressure, to make some noise from the back and show their existance and presence, to lead the line with confidence and instructions, et fecking c. They are also not so young anymore and have shit load of experience and should act and know better than this by now!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 12:56:01 GMT
You want players to play with injuries then?
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 18, 2015 13:10:26 GMT
The truth is, we are riding our luck this season most of the time I see where you're coming from Nemanja, but I only partly agree with that statement. Yes, there are things that we can improve at the back, but as StrikerMo so rightly said, we are just as good as City and Chelsea at the back stats wise, and if this wasn't for that stupid Leicester game, we would have the second best defence after Soton. So how come our defence is to blame while it looks as if Chelsea and City are cruising? My point, as I said in another thread, is: not all the blame should go to our defence. How about looking at what our front line is doing? How about RVP's wasted chances Vs Spurs ? How about Falcao's wasting chances yeserday against QPR? When the game drags on until the 60th minute and we haven't scored,every team will feel they can make it against us and push harder than they usually would. If our strikers could convert their chances and put the game to bed soon enough, I am sure it would be a completely different story. Now I am not blaming our strikers only either, because there is also a lack of service due to that awkward midfield three of Mata/Rooney/Carrick and the gap it leaves in between our lines (Carrick too deep, while Rooney/Mata are too high). Right now, I believe we're crying out for balance and it is affecting our game. It's not even about LVG using 5-3-2. It's about LVG using 5-3-2 with the wrong personel. First in our wing backs position, where the selected players must offer a lot more forward instead of focusing so tightly on their defensive positioning (Young, in that regard, had an excellent game against Spurs and showed how 5-3-2 can be very effective if played the right way). Then, the midfield must be able to retain possession calmly, play very compact, and be able to launch quick counter attacking football. Right now it seems possession is the only thing our cm can do, but with no end-product. That's an improvement on last year, but that's still not enough at all. Herrera could solve some issue, and yet he is being left on the bench for whatever reasons. All in all, right now I am sure the defence is not the issue. It looks more to me as the ideal culprit, when our real issues are further up the pitch. It brings me back on topic: would I buy Falcao? - if LVG plays the very same football for the next few years, then no I would not buy him, and I would buy a powerful Benteke or Lukaku to collect all the long balls we are throwing or to be at the end of the meaningless crosses we can put at times. - if LVG decides to either drop the 5 at the back, OR to use it with the appropriate players, then Falcao could be ideal, because despite him being a bit wasteful, he is a very good player, works hard, is NOT selfish like RVP, and contributes a lot to our buildup play. That being said: would I put 50M to buy a 29 y.o. ? No , definitely not. I get all that, than you and welcome btw and I agree with you on all that, but I was talking about something else. LvG's "philosophy" as he calles it is to build from the back. I think I've posted an interview with him on the old boards about that. We're not building anything from the back. The ball just goes around sideways and backwards, wasting precious time of the game without any end product. I'm aware that van Gaal is a main culprit for many things but he's not at fault for some players personalities and football abilities which is my main and focal point of the argument. Yes, he made some atrocious tactical decisions during the season and is a stubborn old fecker like that experiment of switched positions with di Maria and Rooney, playing system that doesn't work obviously in terms of creating chances and scoring while the team looks unbalanced but at least I have some confidence that he'll get it right at the end which is a big difference compared to previous season under Moyes when everything was so wrong. This season we are seeing certain improvements, particularly in team roster but that's not good enough yet, not even near that. About falcao, there are rumours that we will look for a cut price and rightfully so, he's not a 50m player right now, not even 35 imo but I still have faith in him with given time. Jones, Evans, Smalling and Rafa had it more than enough!
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 18, 2015 13:18:14 GMT
You want players to play with injuries then? What injuries, girl's knocks? Yes I want but those prima donnas can't handle it. They need massage, injection and kissing in the hurt spot with a fairy tale before going to bed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 13:21:28 GMT
Girl's knocks? Are we still living in the 1950's? All these players are legitimately injured, I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to play with one of these 'Girl's knocks' as you eloquently put it, the manager wouldn't allow it anyway.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Jan 18, 2015 13:27:52 GMT
Girl's knocks? Are we still living in the 1950's? All these players are legitimately injured, I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to play with one of these 'Girl's knocks' as you eloquently put it, the manager wouldn't allow it anyway. Yeah. Shit, how times change.... to worse of course. I'm a dinosaur.
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