|
|
Post by germanc18 on Aug 12, 2016 11:14:48 GMT
I understand Carrick will be at 6 or DM, Pogba slightly advanced as a 8 or CM plus Rooney at 10.
The 2nd midfielder as Mou said I guess will be with freedom to roam box to box. Maybe a reason why Fellaini is still here. Strangely he refered to Herrera as being 6 with Carrick and Schneiderlin. I would say Herrera is a 8.
|
|
|
|
Post by germanc18 on Apr 18, 2017 14:24:37 GMT
I wonder if that 3-5-2 from the weekend could be a way forward for us. For example: De Gea
Bailly - Keane - Rojo
Valencia - Herrera - Pogba - Shaw
Mkhitaryan
Rashford - Griezmann
I mean 2 up front will benfit our squad. We don't have out and out wingers any more and Players like Valencia are made for that wingback role. Young and Shaw are easily capable of doing a similar job on the other side. Another positive, we have 3 no.10's in Mata, Miki and Rooney. One concern, is that little deeper role for Pogba wasting his talent? Looked far better on the left of a midfield 3. The other concerns: are the wide players good enough in an attacking sense? Can the back 3 provide the passing from the back that is required, which normally does the defensive midfielder like Carrick or Herrera who picked the ball up from the defense? That system only works if the two in the middle push further forward and the defenders spread the ball from defense. Hummels would be the ideal defender for that for example. |
|
|
|
Post by spens1 on Apr 19, 2017 1:41:18 GMT
3-5-2 sounds interesting, however if the Dembele rumour is true (ousmane that is). then perhaps a 3-4-3 may actually make some sense (and Dortmund have Pulisic and other options, so maybe they may be more open to selling him). Mind you i think we would need a defensive minded LM or an attacking minded LWB of some sort (or keep Shaw), if we went this direction though i'd imagine Martial would be done.
De Gea
Smalling-Bailly-Rojo
Valencia-Herrera-Pogba-???
Mhkitaryian-Rashford/Ibra-Dembele
|
|
|
|
Post by germanc18 on Apr 19, 2017 7:24:02 GMT
Ousmane is only there a season, better forget about that rumour, nothing in it for sure.
Currently Shaw and Young, Darmian are suited to play LWB. Wouldn't mind a rather attaking option for one the latter. Agewise rather for Young and Darmian is the cover for Valencia.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2017 14:35:44 GMT
I like the idea of two strikers, I think that would be better suited and more beneficial for Rashford/Martial plus if we bring in an SS type like Griezmann/Mertens they'd also be suited to having a partner alongside who can stretch defences and open up space for them to operate. That said Mourinho generally has used variations of 4231/433 throughout his career and had one main man up top so I'm not sure he'd change here, for the odd game yes but across a full season I don't know. I agree with you though that those formations would suit our current squad pretty well but I'm not overly keen on a back three, I think too often we'd have one centreback that was pretty much redundant given the way most teams set up against us. I'd prefer a 4312 or 442 diamond with an extra midfielder rather than defender but as you say the main issue with any of these systems is the lack of width.
De Gea
Valencia - Bailly - Rojo - Shaw
Herrera - DM - Pogba
Micky/Mata
Rashford/Ibra - SS
Pogba/Herrera get their three man midfield, Micky/Mata deployed centrally and we have a partnership upfront. Fullbacks will maybe need upgrading though. |
|
|
|
Post by germanc18 on Apr 19, 2017 16:34:52 GMT
Those scenarios with 2 up front will work with 2 players who ran their socks off, make space for the other and combine well. Ideally both can shift on the wing so midfielders can make runs into the box. With Rashford or Martial (or Griezmann) we would have such players. With Zlatan imo it won't work, as he is to static. He'd always be in centre and needs players both sides of him.
In perfect scenario on striker is providing the assist while doing the wingers job where the other is in the box occuping the no. 9 role and they switch roles all game. With fullback bombing forward that is providing the width I seek.
There cmes also the advantage of a back 3. Both fullbacks can go forward stretch the oppositions defence over the whole pitch. 3 At the back give them the freedom and also fo r the likes of Pogba more opportunity to play box-to-box. People often think 3 at the back means more players behind te ball but rightly done it is the opposite. Therefore it helps a lot if a defender can open the play from the back.
In the end a 4-3-3 is not much different at times in possesion when the DM, like Carrick, drops deep between both CB while fullbacks join in attack.
I loved Zlatans season so far and his goals and attitude as well but I would like a more mobile attack with more movement.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2017 18:28:10 GMT
Aye, you'd have to play a different way with Zlat but he's going to be here another season at the most.
Just not that keen on a three probably because we haven't been particularly successful with it, would have to see it in action, Chelsea match was a little different with our man marking so wasn't a set three really more 442 for me. Like I said though it's not typical Mourinho to use two mobile forwards or a false 9 and the like they are more one offs than a regular occurrence but who knows what he has planned.
|
|
|
|
Post by germanc18 on Apr 24, 2017 9:24:07 GMT
what about a proper 4-4-2? Think Martial & Rashford would be a brilliant strike partnership and Griezmann is used to play 2 up to as well. In Pogba & Herrera we also a perfect CM duo who can both do the dirty work and be creative. Only concern is that we don't have, besides Mkhitaryan, players I am really convinced are suited to play LM / RM in that system DE GEA
VALENCIA BAILLY SMALLING SHAW
B.SILVA HERRERA POGBA MKHITARYAN
RASHFORD MARTIAL |
|
