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Post by Dave on Jan 31, 2020 22:40:53 GMT
Done deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:01:20 GMT
Fucking crack addicts the lot of 'em
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Post by spens1 on Feb 1, 2020 1:13:36 GMT
Eh i can live with it. He'll do a job i guess and its at least a striker (would have preferred Jose on a loan but what can you do). I'd say Ighalo on loan is better than trying to buy Josh King.
At least with Ighalo, if he can get a goal every 2-3 games, with the output we'll get from Martial and now Bruno Fernandes hopefully, we should be at least good enough for 4th.
In the summer though, they better go out and spend some real money (Sancho, Werner and Koulibaly should be the bare minimum for business in the summer)
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Post by spens1 on Feb 28, 2020 2:29:45 GMT
We've been offered Emil Forsberg apparently from Leipzig for only 17 million.
Also they're reporting that both Lingard and Pereira will be out in the summer with Forsberg joining Grealish as their replacements in the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 14:43:44 GMT
We can do better than Forsberg. But Grealish is a must, Pogba is gone no matter what, and I'd back Grealish over Maddison in a scrap.
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Post by Dave on Mar 9, 2020 19:24:21 GMT
Drafted in Sir Alex apparently as well, big talent this kid so let’s hope he’s a smart cookie and makes the right choice.
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Post by spens1 on Mar 17, 2020 2:15:28 GMT
Jude for 30 mill though, that's pricey to say the least. Hopefully we bring him in knowing he isn't going to be first team immediately.
Harry Kane apparently prefers us to City. Jose alienating more players I see, well if it benefits us i can't complain to be honest.
Also in for Donny Van Der Beek and want to snatch him from under the noses of Real Madrid.
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Post by spens1 on Jun 17, 2020 23:48:36 GMT
Looks like the Sancho deal may be close as Dortmund admitted he may not be there for very much longer.
Also we've got three confirmed options at #10 (maybe even 4 if Maddison is included).
Donny Van Der Beek (50 Million) - The cheapest option but certainly not the worst, he's a damn good player and would fit our system nicely, only downside is that he doesn't have the premier league experience that Grealish has and isn't as complete of a player as Havertz and doesn't have his potential
Jack Grealish (80 Million) - Villa want 80 mill but we'd proabbly be able to get him for around 60-70 i'd think. Still, as good as he is, the price is too rich for my liking.
Kai Havertz (90 Million) - I really, REALLY want this guy at United given how complete he is as a player and his world class potential, he could become a legend at the club and a true cornerstone, he's been described as a complete all rounder and what can this guy not do, he scores goals, he is an amazing passer and can play freely and move onto the wing if Rashford or Martial are cutting inside which helps our style of play. Only downside is that ridiculous price. Also chelsea seemingly are ahead of us but they do have a #10 already in Ziyech. The negative is that insane pricetag that Leverkusen want and I don't think they budge too much cause its about par for a youngster of his talents (in fact it may be a bit under still given that Ousmane Dembele went for like 110 mill a few years back).
Now personally, as much as i'd love to see us get Havertz, with Sancho coming in for what will be a fee of almost or above 100 mill, i can't see us dishing out for 2 players of that pricetag (even if we could afford it) mainly cause i think we're still after a CB as well (I'd imagine Koulibaly will be a priority as well). I think it would be Sancho + VDB with Koulibaly coming in as our world class CB to partner Maguire (with Lindelof and Bailly our main backups with Smalling, Jones and Rojo to be sold).
Also Jude is going to Dortmund now as well as he's probably snubbing us (I mean in terms of initial development, he ain't wrong but i think he would do very well in our system, also learning off the likes of Matic and even Mata would do him a world of good before coming into the starting lineup).
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Post by spens1 on Jun 18, 2020 1:52:56 GMT
Anyway with that in mind, my three transfers i'd personally do with some frees in there.
Jadon Sancho - 90 Million (Rising to 105 Million)
Bonuses of appearances, CL qualification and Ballon D'or (5 mill each). We need a right winger badly and he fits in nicely with our young front 3. Enough has been said about Sancho, he's pretty much a surefire hit at United under Ole.
Kai Havertz - 70 Million (Rising to 85 Million)
Pretty much the same deal, we'd be competing with Chelsea but he'd be a starter from the outset and our only main #10, they're not getting 90 Mill but when him and Grealish are a similar price, its a no brainer really. I do like VDB a lot (and i mean a lot) but Havertz has it all really, we should always look to the best option for our team.
Kalidou Koulibaly - 70 Million
No you're not getting 90 million for your 29 year old CB. If you wanted that fee you should have sold him to us a couple of seasons ago. We do need a world class CB though and he fills that need
Ryan Fraser - Free
This is optimistic, but Fraser is confirmed to be leaving Bournemouth and if we can bring him in to come off the bench on both wings.
Thiago Silva - Free
I mentioned leadership and Maguire is good but he isn't a senior head, having Silva as an incredibly experienced backup could help our CB's and could be really good for both Tuanzebe and even our non CB youngsters in the back (AWB, Fosu Mensah, Williams etc).
Edinson Cavani - Free
The other PSG free signing. Cavani actually fits what we need in a striker, he can absolutely be a more defensive minded striker if we need him to be, he absolutely can drop back and more importantly, can be a mentor for our forwards (Martial, Rashford, Sancho and Greenwood). For a couple of years before he maybe goes to the MLS or elsewhere, its a win-win, cause he gets to play premier league and most likely starts and gives more time for us to develop Martial or Rashford to be our full time #9 or even just fling Greenwood in there.
Adil Aouchiche - Free
A PSG youngster who is incredibly skillfull, bring him into our youth setup (maybe the u21 squad) and see the rewards in a few years (send him to the lower leagues in a few years as well).
Total Spend: 230 Million (rising up to 260 Million potentially)
Departures:
Jesse Lingard - 30 Million
I'm not actually sure how much we would get for Lingard cause a year ago, he was fantastic, now frankly he barely is bench quality, his valuation is pretty difficult to gauge to be honest. I'm going with 30 Mill as it seems about right. It doesn't price out mid table clubs like Watford, Palace (especially if they sell Zaha), West Ham, Everton, Southampton etc.
Andreas Pereira - 20 Million
He needs to go, straight up isn't good enough. Maybe we could get 25 Million for him but honestly just getting him out of the club is an achievement given how bad he is.
Chris Smalling - 25 Million
I'd love to keep him, despite not being world class he's a great leader and a good influence but I don't think he'd want to be 5th on the totem pole. Its only fair that we sell him to Roma, he is doing better in Italian football as well.
Phil Jones - 15 Million
I feel bad for Jones, his career has just completely derailed cause of injuries. I'm sure there is a premier league club like Burnley or some other team willing to take a chance on him for that price. If he can remain healthy he'd do bits for a team.
Marcos Rojo - 15 Million
Rojo on the other hand can just go away, an absolute flop and abysmal signing, one of the worst signings in recent years. He absolutely was terrible and Boca Juniors are interested in him at around that fee. Take it and run.
Alexis Sanchez - 25 Million
Optimistic on the fee maybe given his wages, but we can subsidise some of that, or hope that a gulf league or chinese club can pay it. We need to cut our losses, let him go and get a fee and more importantly if we can, his 400k wages.
Total Revenue: 130 Million
Total Net Spend: 100 Million (Up to 130 Million)
Comparable spend to recent summers in terms of net spend but improvements must be made if we are to be a safe champions league squad next year (and losing out on CL next year is more expensive than this) and securing ourselves for a title run in 2-3 years and building our way back to being the best in the world. I'm emphasising quality over quantity with this but some free signings to be brought in to help with depth. A hell of a lot of departures (even popular players like Lingard) but we need to move on some of our older deadwood and subs. Its ruthless but its needed i'd say.
Lineup (and their backups):
De Gea (Romero) AWB (Dalot)- Maguire (Lindelof)- Koulibaly (Bailly)- Williams (Shaw) Pogba (Matic)- Fernandes (Fred) Havertz (Mata) Sancho (Fraser) - Cavani/Rashford (Greenwood/Ighalo) - Martial (James)
By clearing out our CB's and our mids, we could bring in Chong, Gomes, Fosu-Mensah and some acedemy prospects through into the lineup.
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Post by spens1 on Jun 30, 2020 1:17:54 GMT
Angel Gomes is confirmed to be leaving the club.
Apparently he wanted more than the 30k we offered per week (Probably wanted something close to the 50k per week that Greenwood's on). Not happy with him leaving as we need the depth and he is a good prospect (better than Chong) but clearly someone in his camp has gotten into his ear. Now we potentially will have to buy two attacking mids or bring Mejbri in before he's ready (or worst case scenario, we have to keep one of Lingard or Pereira and actually play them next year).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:43:13 GMT
Shame really but if you don't want to sign the big fat contract that's been there for a long time and you've only just been treading water, and the likes of Mason overtake you, then you need to get real or take a chance elsewhere.
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Post by spens1 on Jul 3, 2020 3:11:24 GMT
Bellingham is confirmed going to Dortmund, from what i've seen its not a shock, what has changed though is that we're potentially in for both Grealish AND VDB (I think the Gomes situation and missing out on Bellingham has meant that we need new attacking mids, also Lingard and Pereira both where the weakest on the park for us against Norwich and Brighton respectively, that confirms their fate, especially as AC Milan may be in for Pereira).
This is just pure muppetry but this is what i'd like to see from us in the upcoming window at every position.
Goalkeeper: This is a complex one, we owe a hell of a lot to De Gea for getting us into champions league, keeping us in the top half by himself in some seasons with our backline. But if PSG or Real Madrid come in, we owe it to him to leave the club with some dignity (does help that we'd get a decent fee for him and wages off the table). Henderson would be our starter next season for sure.
In: None Out: David De Gea
Right Back: This won't happen but it makes sense, Dalot and Aarons are the same age and Dalot is a Jose signing first and foremost who hasn't lived up to potential. Fosu Mensah is more a thing where we need to be ruthless and realistic, he's never going to be more than a squad player so selling him for 10-15 mill to Ajax (especially if they move on Dest) and putting in a buy back clause if we are wrong is probably for the best. We have scouted Aarons and obviously like what we see otherwise we wouldn't have come close to signing him last year. The right back/Right wing back position is one of the most important in world football today. With Norwich going down almost a certainty, Aarons coming in makes a world of sense. He offers us more going forward than AWB as well. Then add Laird to this scenario and we have a hell of a full back situation.
In: Max Aarons Out: Diogo Dalot, Timothy Fosu-Mensah
Centre Back: One of the key areas that need improvement in terms of quality and in need of change. Maguire was a good start but we can't rest there. Maguire and Lindelof don't mesh that well, at least not enough to fend off top teams and Bailly, whilst a good partner, isn't healthy enough. Hence the need for a left footed, pacey cb like Ake. Realistically speaking as much as i'd like Koulibaly or Skriniar, its probably not realistic and if you can't go for world class, you go for a damn good CB and Ake is a damn good CB who is still only 25 years old. He is fast as well (having experience in the past playing LB), big issue is he's 5'10 but is very agile at CB and more importantly, covers Maguire's weaknesses. Outgoings are fairly obvious, as much as I like Smalling he isn't going to go back to the bench at 29 years of age, Rojo is useless and we need to move on Jones as he's probably 5th choice at best.
In: Nathan Ake Out: Chris Smalling, Phil Jones, Marcos Rojo
Left Back: Shaw may be the most controversial player in the team, some people think he's borderline world class, some people think he's terrible. Whatever the opinion is, he's never recovered since that night in Valencia really. I think if Chilwell does go to Chelsea, we could offer Shaw to Leicester for about 30 mill. Telles is 27 so older than Shaw, but a lot better overall and better going forward and probably as good of a defender. At this rate Williams will surpass Shaw very easily by early next season. We need to give Williams some competition and Telles is that, a world class LB to come in for the next 2 years and having a young williams as an understudy to Telles before we sell Telles for a tidy profit and bring Williams into the starting lineup is great, also Telles would cost us 23 mill, we'd make a net profit really.
In: Alex Telles Out: Luke Shaw
Defensive Mid: Ideally we hopefully shouldn't have to worry about this till next year, but if Declan Rice (as is being rumoured) is to be offered out to clubs, even if it comes out of next years budget, we need to make a move for him now. That sadly means Matic must make way this year. Rice is probably our #1 target for next year but if he's going this year we need to move in now really. note: only if Rice is put on the market this year.
In: Declan Rice Out: Nemanja Matic
Centre Mid/Attacking Mid: Putting this into one category as its one in the same in our squad in a sense. We missed out on Bellingham which sucks but it does mean that if we make our sales, we can get two attacking mids instead of one (I think the original plan was VDB/Grealish & Bellingham, with only one of Lingard or Pereira needing to be sold). This scenario has 3 outgoings in attacking mid instead. Frankly put, if Pogba and/or Bruno aren't playing or are subbed, we downright suck, we have no creativity at all and we needed Bruno to play for 120 minutes against Norwich because of it. The reason I keep on harping on about Kai, he is being called an Alleskonner, or an all rounder, a player who can do it all. He'd come in and have one of the higher footballing IQ's at the club, has world class potential and is only 21. I don't believe if Leverkusen can deny us too much (and sure can't demand 90 mill) as they're in the europa league next year again, i think 70 mill would be enough (which would only be marginally more than we'd pay for Grealish even if they go down, and we'd probably pay a similar fee if they stay up). He also has a better head on him than Grealish so that fits in with the club and can play basically anywhere from midfield onwards (he even played defensive mid a year or two back when Leverkusen were down to bare bones and did pretty well). He's better, younger and more versatile than Grealish and has a better attitude, what's not to like, need to stop paying the english tax for the sake of it if we get an inferior player. Let Chelsea get Grealish and Leon Bailey go to City. The outgoings are fairly obvious, Jesse hasn't been the same, Pereira has no football IQ and makes me irate anytime he steps on the pitch for us. Juan Mata has me mixed, on one hand, he is a great mentor to the youngsters but is older and on a significant salary and clearly isn't a top player anymore. Gomes is already confirmed to depart so its time for Mejbri to step up into his role (we could go for Aouchiche even and offer him a similar deal). VDB would be the sub for Pogba and Havertz would come in for Fernandes but Havertz could come in for Pogba but can play as a second striker, both wings and as a false 9 and even dropping deeper.
In: Kai Havertz, Donny Van Der Beek Out: Jesse Lingard, Andreas Pereira, Juan Mata, Angel Gomes
Right Wing: This is the most clear cut situation, sell Sanchez hopefully to Inter permanently and buy Sancho. We should look to loan out Chong and evaluate this year whether he's good enough, or else sell him
In: Jadon Sancho Out: Alexis Sanchez, Tahith Chong (Loan)
Striker: This only becomes an issue this summer if Martinez goes to Barca (and Griezmann goes elsewhere other than Inter). Inter's #1 target if Martinez is sold is Martial. I'm of two minds, he's been brilliant since the restart and finally looks like the #9 we had hoped for but is he going to be consistently world class cause i feel we've been down this road before with him. If we can cash on him at the high point (80 million + maybe 10 mill in clauses) then we should do it. Harland has a 63 mill clause but not for the summer, that doesn't mean we can't come in for him. Offer 70 mill and get the deal done now honestly, having two golden boy candidates fighting out for the #9 is a good position to be in. Also Ole clearly loves him. Hopefully though Inter gives us more time to do this and waits till january.
In: Erling Haaland Out: Anthony Martial
So with that in mind, our lineup + backups
Henderson (Romero) AWB (Aarons) - Maguire (Lindelof) - Ake (Bailly) - Telles (Williams) Rice/Matic (McTominay/Fred) Pogba (VDB) - Fernandes (Havertz) Sancho (James/Havertz) - Martial/Haarland (Greenwood) - Rashford (James/Havertz)
Take away the Rice and Martial situation, this would be an expensive window but not prohibatively so, the wing back situation most likely is net neutral spends, CB situation would be pretty much almost net zero. the VDB purchase could be funded via the sales of Lingard, Pereira and Mata. So really speaking, we'd be mainly putting out money for Sancho and Havertz out of our pockets and that too is sofented by the sales of Sanchez and De Gea. We'd probably, in terms of net loss, would be talking about 100 mill or maybe a bit more (could be as high as 150 mill or so if Rice is available though) which isn't that ridiculous given the massive overhaul. In doing that, we'd have sorted out our depth and made our squad younger and fitter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 12:31:27 GMT
We'll be lucky to get 2 of the 3 we need immediately. You might just get Sancho and possibly Grealish if AV go down, but doubt you'll get a top quality fast CB, which is now very apparent we need. Axel looks done with injuries already before he's even started.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 15:05:10 GMT
Ominous. Matic signs a 3 (yes 3) year contract extension. They never learn.
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Post by spens1 on Jul 7, 2020 2:17:56 GMT
Unless the Matic deal is one like Mata where he know's he's not starting.
If Rice is available we must go for him long term (well for one, he does what Matic can now and is like 21 and is better than Mctominay and Fred in basically most aspects, especially if Moyes wants Jones and Lingard for whatever reason, we could use the two in a swap).
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