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Post by Splendid Spy on Feb 1, 2015 12:38:28 GMT
Didn't watch the match. Was out.
Just wondering, any thoughts why Herrera has not been picked for the past couple of matches? Everyone can see he's the most creative midfielder in our team. I would like to see him play alongside Blind to be honest and push Rooney a little forward. RVP or Falcao should be dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 12:57:57 GMT
He gets muscled off the ball at times, so Fellaini has the advantage against the more physical sides. I presume he'll be doing gym work and bulking up. It's a learning curve for all the new signings, I think Blind has adapted quickest so far and sometimes he looks a little lightweight. It'll come next season, we'll be a different proposition even if we don't sign anyone in the Summer (which we will of course).
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Post by Splendid Spy on Feb 1, 2015 13:08:07 GMT
yup. I think our midfield is pretty much set come next season once our new signings hits the gym. Won't be too disappointed if we don't get another midfielder. Maybe add another DM but that's it. We definitely need CBs.
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Post by Dave on Feb 1, 2015 13:52:00 GMT
I hope that's the case Ed but there must be more to it, van Gaal just doesn't fancy him for some reason. Lightweight doesn't wash when you also have Januzaj, Mata, Blind, Di Maria to an extent and how's he going to get used to league when he can't get on the pitch. He can also be careless in possession but then how many times does Rooney give the ball away in each game.
If he doesn't start against Cambridge when he's been one of a few players to look up for those games, making things happen then his future here looks bleak and you wonder whether the club has pushed him onto LVG rather than him wanting Herrera.
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Post by StrikerMo on Feb 1, 2015 13:57:51 GMT
whether the club has pushed him onto LVG rather than him wanting Herrera. I was wondering if that might be the case as well... It'd be a shame if true.
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Post by Dave on Feb 1, 2015 14:05:46 GMT
Yeah, Di Maria, Blind and Rojo all waltz straight back in but not Herrera.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 14:15:38 GMT
I think it's a bit of both, he knows alot about Blind and Di Maria for different but obvious reasons and he was impressed by Rojo at the world cup. I said at the time obviously he knew who Herrera was but after that I'd be surprised if he knew an awful lot about him as a player, he went along with the signing knowing probably the basics and clearly he doesn't trust him as much as the other guys yet.
I actually think he'll get his chance though, I agree with the opinion that he's a work in progress and is being told to improve physically for the demands of being a premier league central midfielder. I hope so anyway, as I really believe he could be a huge success here if given the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 14:31:23 GMT
I hope that's the case Ed but there must be more to it, van Gaal just doesn't fancy him for some reason. Lightweight doesn't wash when you also have Januzaj, Mata, Blind, Di Maria to an extent and how's he going to get used to league when he can't get on the pitch. He can also be careless in possession but then how many times does Rooney give the ball away in each game. If he doesn't start against Cambridge when he's been one of a few players to look up for those games, making things happen then his future here looks bleak and you wonder whether the club has pushed him onto LVG rather than him wanting Herrera. It's an horrendous juggling act with that squad as it is, it's not balanced in the slightest and certainly not for LVG who's said as much. Janazai is fucking huge now if you look at him, he's no matchstick kid now, he's going for his heros physique, Ronaldo. He was quite happy yesterday fending two players off and getting stuck in and taking a whack. Mata has the BPL experience and knows how to deal with the physicality without necessarily getting booked. Blind is a little broader in the build width ways than Herrera, more stout, and plays deeper usually, so less affected by whooping CBs and DMs who like dishing it out. Di Maria looks uncomfortable at the moment and he hasn't quite got used to being bowled over yet. I think* and who the fuck knows with LVG, that we'll see a pretty big squad revamp in the Summer not just at the back but in the middle and up front, with Mata, RVP, Falcao (possibly Fellaini too) out the door freeing up wages for new incoming. I think Herrera will stay in place of Mata. Just a hunch. LVG is really hard to read and I'm not sure he's 100% certain on the direction yet himself.
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Post by Dave on Feb 1, 2015 14:53:07 GMT
It's just a shame given the whole palaver we went through and at the money paid (I know LVG isn't arsed about fee's) you'd expect him to start more than 6 games. We've been crying out for a midfielder in his style for years and now he's sat on the bench every game.
Mata seems to have found his place after a uncertain summer, I'd be surprised to see him go but I do expect another shake up in the summer and hopefully see LVG's team take more shape.
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Post by Jie on Feb 1, 2015 17:13:51 GMT
Herrera was giving away the ball too easily, but that's hardly a good enough reason. All the new signings are slowly adapting, maybe Herrera is a bit behind the others and he has tough competition to face for a spot on the first team. Just a guess anyway, I'd love it if Van Gaal actually says something on the matter
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 17:41:45 GMT
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Post by Hammy on Feb 1, 2015 22:41:39 GMT
If Fellaini is the answer what the feck was the question? :-/ I'm not buying into that as the reason Herrera keeps starring from the bench. Fellaini at the very best is a little above average as a CM. He should be a destroyer in the middle given his size but he's just as lightweight in a tackle as Herrera and gives the ball away as much as anyone except maybe Rooney. Nope (conspiration starts here ) something is very afoot between VG and Herrera. I really want to like VG as manager but so far I haven't felt the slightest stirring in my loins. I'm reading that our defence has improved. It's true we're conceding less goals but that is only due to the fact that we don't attack as a force any more. I really can't believe this dull, unimaginative football I'm watching at the moment. Getting into the top 4 at any cost really does apply here. If VG wants us to play like Barça then I'm afraid dull and unimaginative will become our trade mark because quite simply we don't have the players to play like that unless there's a mass exodus come summer. On paper we have one of the best strike forces in the league, if not Europe so why the feck are we witnessing anti football game after game? Yes VG is under pressure to get us a CL spot but please, don't tell me with the players he has at his disposal this is the best he can do. Reading Blinds post match interview was pretty scary when he said about each week we are getting closer to the way VG wants us to play, that we are on the right track and that we're happy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:04:04 GMT
Nobody said Fellaini was the answer. Fellaini is a short term solution to an imbalanced squad in certain situations. When Fellaini has played he's been reasonably solid and less wasteful than you think, he's 'done a job', also his physical presence helps impose and compete with the more robust mid table teams, which helps control their flow and ours. The former is good, the latter, not so, some of the time. But clearly VG wants him there to do that job for a reason.
The rest of it you'll just have to get used to, or not. Anti football?? I don't know what you've been watching but it's not what I've been looking at. Go and look up videos of old VG teams to get an idea of the direction he's heading.
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Post by GoonBurgerLarson on Feb 1, 2015 23:23:55 GMT
The Herrera situation baffles me somewhat, I can't think of a game where I thought he played a shocker, in fact, most times he's played I thought he was one of the better players on the pitch. When given a start he's bought goals, assists and overall general creativity and greater fluidity in the midfield, I feel some of you are over emphasising his wayward passing, this to me is not an issue, as it doesn't happen too often, certainly not more than average. His real problem is competition for places, he has Rooney, Mata, Blind, Carrick, Fellaini and possibly Di Maria to contend with, and I guess LVG rightly or wrongly thinks that those aforementioned bring more to the team than Herrera. I hope Herrera gets his time, I certainly am incouraged by what I've seen of him so far, and feel he could develop into a very decent player for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 11:21:27 GMT
Having watched the game back on MUTV I feel my analysis of the game may have been a tad on the harsh side. I still think we lacked an exciting cutting edge but there's no arguing with the dominance of our display from start to finish, especially when you see how little they created despite us having 5 attacking players on the pitch, this was down to the dominance of those makeshift midfielders and Daley Blind. Also realised how quickly we looked to move the ball forward in the first half which is progress on the last few displays and the second goal was actually pretty well worked despite Leicester still being dodgy at the back. The second half was like a training session after we'd got the comfortable lead, I'd have liked to see us keep the same level intensity in the second half and give them a proper beating.
That being said, I still don't believe it was a great display, more of a professional performance and inferior opposition.
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