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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 12:03:43 GMT
Currently he is competing with Young and co though. He played there in the diamond but Louis has been changing his position all season trying to find a role, he's struggled to adapt to league and LVG's philosophy for me. There was a lack of balance but now we have found a system that we all agree we should continue with and Di Maria hasn't played that role once, who are you removing to fit Di Maria in. Di Maria wants to take people, dribble past a few players, maraud.. while Van Gaal wants to keep possession and shape. I don't see Di Maria playing tika taka in midfield, that's not his game but we shall see. Would you say at the beginning of the season that this was Herrera's game like we're seeing him now? It's still early to say that di Maria has struggled with the philosophy and possession game, he has played many matches in a possession based setup in both Argentina and Real Madrid teams. van Gaal's philosophy isn't about shape and formation (the diamond point you've put), like it's been said time and time again by many and by van Gaal himself. In his philosophy he always have one free role player, whether from the center or out wide. di Maria has meant to be the one but he just hasn't worked in the best possible manner because of >>> the lack of balance. This is the problem with people not understanding what the philosophy is all about, it's not about formation at all! You'll see a different story next season. |
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2015 12:24:06 GMT
Currently he is competing with Young and co though. He played there in the diamond but Louis has been changing his position all season trying to find a role, he's struggled to adapt to league and LVG's philosophy for me. There was a lack of balance but now we have found a system that we all agree we should continue with and Di Maria hasn't played that role once, who are you removing to fit Di Maria in. Di Maria wants to take people, dribble past a few players, maraud.. while Van Gaal wants to keep possession and shape. I don't see Di Maria playing tika taka in midfield, that's not his game but we shall see. Would you say at the beginning of the season that this was Herrera's game like we're seeing him now? It's still early to say that di Maria has struggled with the philosophy and possession game, he has played many matches in a possession based setup in both Argentina and real Madrid teams. van Gaal's philosophy isn't about shape and formation (the diamond point you've put), like it's been said time and time again by many and by van Gaal himself. In his philosophy he always have one free role player, whether from the center or out wide. di Maria has meant to be the one but he just hasn't worked in the best possible manner because of >>> the lack of balance. This is the problem with people not understanding what the philosophy is all about, it's not about formation at all! You'll see a different story next season. The formation changes and the philosophy does not, we all know. Herrera's Spanish, he's been brought up to play a possession based game, it's the other side of his game that's improved his positioning and defensive awareness etc.. Van Gaal has curbed Herrera from wandering out of position and made him available. Its about Di Maria not being suited to playing a patient passing game, he isn't that player, he loses the ball countlessly and wants to take people on. He's struggled with the physicality of playing centrally in this league, he could well adapt but you'd be taking away his best assets. We have the balance now with Fellaini, so why isn't Di Maria in midfield? |
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 12:33:34 GMT
We have the balance now with Fellaini, so why isn't Di Maria in midfield? Because that's di Maria was meant to play and we can't play him there because Fellaini has a stormer of the form as of late and we don't have a proper No.6 to allow him to play free role, simple as that. We have Carrick in the last two months who's providing a bit of balance which we didn't have with Blind when Carrick was injured. That was the time when di Maria has played regularly and we didn't have a settled team yet. He was losing the ball always, that's the part of a game of every flair player with a free role, it's just that he didn't have a proper cover behind him. Later, he picked up that injury and had an attempt of burglary to deal with so he's had a mental problems as well. |
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 12:38:16 GMT
All that talk about physicality in the EPL and "needs to bulk up a bit", especially if there's a talk about a flair player will be proven as a bullshit next season. Mark this post.
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2015 12:44:23 GMT
Yeah when he's doing it from the flank.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 12:52:55 GMT
So, all the centrally based players in the EPL who are successful in their respective positions and roles are a bulls? Fair play then, if they are...
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2015 12:59:29 GMT
:lol:
How many flair players play centrally in the league?
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 13:03:15 GMT
:lol: How many flair players play centrally in the league? Don't know, you tell me. I remember certain little Spaniard being very successful for Chelsea two seasons in a row, or I was dreaming? I guess Coutinho is a raging bull as well? |
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2015 13:10:46 GMT
Central midfield not no.10's.
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 13:14:22 GMT
Central midfield not no.10's. And how van Gaal describes Fellaini's role and what do you call this position:  Maybe a LAM? Alonso
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:16:06 GMT
Wherever Di Maria plays on the pitch he gets caught out by the aggressive tackling and the speed in which they press him. No doubt he isn't coping well right now with that side of the English game but that doesn't mean to say he won't learn to deal with it and play against it. I think his lackluster displays right now are more to do with a lack of confidence more than anything though. Still he's got to sort his game out, as right now he looks absolutely dreadful and that isn't an overstatement.
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2015 13:17:53 GMT
You mean the position Di Maria hasn't played  Not a no.10, Herrera and Fellaini are more like two 8's. |
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 13:21:55 GMT
To be fair, I disagree with van Gaal there when he says Fellaini plays as a 10, perhaps a hybrid 10 or 8, maybe the best term is a false 10 because that role is a playmaking advanced role and can be played by an attacking midfielder and second striker, even by a wide forward. He looks more advanced than Herrera so maybe that's where LvG is coming from. But it's still a central position, speaking of our team. |
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2015 13:23:58 GMT
Sorry I'm on a WUM.  Di Maria so far just looks very uncomfortable centrally, uncomfortable generally but less so as a wide attacker for me. I just think that's where we'll see him for the foreseeable and where we'll see the best of him, of course he could well adapt but given the personnel we've got and likely bring in (going by rumours ) I don't see his future here being centrally. We shall see, if he does, I'll hold my hands up.  Apologies Nemanja. |
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Post by Nemanja79 on Apr 19, 2015 13:24:59 GMT
Wherever Di Maria plays on the pitch he gets caught out by the aggressive tackling and the speed in which they press him. No doubt he isn't coping well right now with that side of the English game but that doesn't mean to say he won't learn to deal with it and play against it. I think his lackluster displays right now are more to do with a lack of confidence more than anything though. Still he's got to sort his game out, as right now he looks absolutely dreadful and that isn't an overstatement. With that I can agree, the expectations are high looking at his previous season, but if we are expecting from him that sort of performances from the left wing we're set for a disappointment. If LvG finds a way to fit him in on Fellaini's position that would be the best, but we need positions behind him sorted first. If not there, the only place is Mata's right side where he was decent at Real too. |
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