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Post by matt on Dec 19, 2015 14:52:04 GMT
Mou's apparently keen on taking the job here. I think the Chelsea's debacle is a lot more complex that it looks. Right now you would easily believe Mourinho is an arrogant cunt who has turned everyone against him. But I don't think this is that simple as he has proven in the past he could build very solid teams and establish excellent relationships with players. I wouldn't want Mourinho at United now, but if I was given the choice bewteen another dull year with LVG (if we don't improve this season), or with the inexperienced Giggs or another average manager like Moyes, I might think Mourinho would be a good idea. Next season, we need to be at our best, have a solid and reliable manager to keep us at the very top. Next season will be defining the future of the English top-4 imo with so many teams improving drastically. |
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Post by spens1 on Dec 20, 2015 2:07:14 GMT
Please no, good manager, horrible fit given the type of club we are and the culture here historically
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Post by Dave on Dec 20, 2015 11:29:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 12:09:41 GMT
That's a blow that. The most 'United like' manager out there.
Still Pep ain't a bad booby prize.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 12:17:26 GMT
Do people think Pep would take over if we finished outside of the top 4? I have my reservations which means that where we finish this season becomes extra important. If LVG can get his stuff together and guide us safely into the top 4 then we should have a good shot at bringing him in.
Lets face it, it was another shit result yesterday but we're still by no means in a disastrous position. City and Arsenal aren't that far ahead and play each other tomorrow. The biggest issue is whether we believe LVG can get this side back on side and we can start to pick up results again.
I think at this stage everyone would take us going back to how we were performing a month or 2 ago. Get back to being solid, hard to beat and start grinding out those victories again. If it all means we can get Pep in at the end of the season, I don't care anymore. I'm already writing us off for this season and more concerned about where we are next season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 12:43:50 GMT
I don't think anyone knows how Pep's brain is orientated tbh; if he's a 'big name', 'big club', history, glamour, etc, then we have the edge no matter where we finish. We can still offer that bit extra to City. You could argue we're a 'project' club like City, maybe more so at this point.
Can't deny that it would make life a hell of a lot easier with a top four finish though. I have no idea how he ticks though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 12:52:06 GMT
I still don't think Pep is a guarantee for success either though tbh. He's managed excellent sides and squads of players. Fair enough he's made Bayern better statistically but people reckon the football was better under Heynckes.
Will be very interesting indeed to see how he'd do at a side that still needs a lot of work doing to it. You could argue that taking us on would be the ultimate test for him. Time to prove how good he really is in a league that can be notoriously tough to acclimatise to.
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Post by Dave on Dec 20, 2015 14:28:21 GMT
I'm sure he's said that he wants to manage clubs with history, legends etc. whether it's from his book or elsewhere I'm not sure. Hunter also seems to think he'd like to manager here but who knows, Barca, Bayern, United would pretty much tick off all those top historic clubs. That said City have the Barca hierarchy there and obviously a lot of money, they are well setup as a team and have the best attack in the league so less work for him. City have been chasing him and trying to get him for years but they are still waiting so I don't think it's nailed on as the press like to make out. We need a bit of tweaking but I still think we have a talented squad and some youngsters with huge potential, Pep is the logical next step for us but it depends which he prefers. Merson wants him for Arsenal but he can keeping dreaming and I don't think he'd be interested in Chelsea. He'll end up in Manchester but which side..  |
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Post by Hammy on Dec 20, 2015 15:33:32 GMT
Put it this way if Pep doesn't come here, and I've a sneaky feeling he won't,then who does that leave out there? Ancelloti is gone. Giggs everyone has mixed feelings about, I don't think Mou would suit us the same as Simeone. It's very possible that Madrid will be looking for a new manager as well come the end of the season so it would put extra pressure on finding the ideal manager.
This time there can be no mistakes. Klopp next season for sure will make loserpool stronger. If Pep does go to Shity then they will get stronger, if Wenger makes the right signings they will get stronger. Pochittino looks like he's getting his act together at Spuds. It's a big toss up with us and Chelski if we can match them if the right person isn't brought in.
My biggest fear is if the club can't see options themselves and take the easy road and go for Mou because this job does need a high profile manager.
It may sound dramatic but everything hinges on Pep. Of course he's not guaranteed to be a success but I would be a lot more hopeful having him at the helm than anyone else.
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Post by matt on Dec 20, 2015 16:08:43 GMT
Put it this way if Pep doesn't come here, and I've a sneaky feeling he won't,then who does that leave out there? Ancelloti is gone. Giggs everyone has mixed feelings about, I don't think Mou would suit us the same as Simeone. It's very possible that Madrid will be looking for a new manager as well come the end of the season so it would put extra pressure on finding the ideal manager. This time there can be no mistakes. Klopp next season for sure will make loserpool stronger. If Pep does go to Shity then they will get stronger, if Wenger makes the right signings they will get stronger. Pochittino looks like he's getting his act together at Spuds. It's a big toss up with us and Chelski if we can match them if the right person isn't brought in. My biggest fear is if the club can't see options themselves and take the easy road and go for Mou because this job does need a high profile manager. It may sound dramatic but everything hinges on Pep. Of course he's not guaranteed to be a success but I would be a lot more hopeful having him at the helm than anyone else. I agree with your reasoning. Hence why if we appoint Mourinho to replace LVG I wouldn't have too many regrets because surely it would mean the board couldn't be certain Guardiola was interested to come here. The problem is that we can't afford to be the only top club without a quality manager once again. The board face a dilemma: waiting for a potential Pep agreement that may never happen, or go for the safest route (although that remains unsure lol) and appoint Mourinho, who knows the league, who is a proven winnenr and who we know will give us something? Or perhaps the board have another solution no one has mentioned much, like Conte? Or perhaps we will be crazy enough to give Giggs the job with absolutely no guarantee he will find his feet? let alone getting results? It's a tough situation once again. One we could and should have avoided if the board had prepared better for SAF's retirement. We are basically still in that shit transition phase because we have lost any bit of stability. At least LVG has cleared the deadwood, brought some very good players as well and improved some aspect of our game. But what now? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 16:37:07 GMT
I agree with your reasoning. Hence why if we appoint Mourinho to replace LVG I wouldn't have too many regrets because surely it would mean the board couldn't be certain Guardiola was interested to come here. The problem is that we can't afford to be the only top club without a quality manager once again. The board face a dilemma: waiting for a potential Pep agreement that may never happen, or go for the safest route (although that remains unsure lol) and appoint Mourinho, who knows the league, who is a proven winnenr and who we know will give us something? Or perhaps the board have another solution no one has mentioned much, like Conte? Or perhaps we will be crazy enough to give Giggs the job with absolutely no guarantee he will find his feet? let alone getting results? It's a tough situation once again. One we could and should have avoided if the board had prepared better for SAF's retirement. We are basically still in that shit transition phase because we have lost any bit of stability. At least LVG has cleared the deadwood, brought some very good players as well and improved some aspect of our game. But what now? Completely agree with everything you say Matt, especially the last paragraph. As a club we're in no better situation than we were when Moyes was here. The squad is better, although too small and we can keep possession but there's still too much work to be done. 3 years after Fergie and we're still in a transition which doesn't have an end in site, especially if we don't get an elite manager in next. Giggs will require the same kind of transitional period, it will be his first job so we'll have to accept he may need time and it could take another couple of seasons to get back to the top if he indeed gets us there at all. Which would be much more acceptable if we hadn't already gone through 3 years of transition already. The next person in charge has to be someone who can build on the stability that LVG has provided and turn us back into big time players almost straight away (with a bit of recruitment obviously). There are only 2 available managers out there who fit this criteria IMO. The way I see it, it's a straight fight between Mourinho and Pep, who also happen to be the 2 best managers in the world today. With Mourinho the big favourite at the minute due to him being out of work. The only way I see it being Pep is if LVG turns it around this season and we can part ways in the summer having finished well in the league but by then it may be too late and Pep could've agreed to join City anyway. I genuinely think Mourinho will be our manager by the end of the season. |
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Post by Hammy on Dec 20, 2015 17:15:25 GMT
The club aren't stupid. They already know where Pep is going. If Pep really prefers us instead of Shity then his thoughts have been voiced. There's no way Pep will risk us appointing a new manager if he is interested in the job himself.
I don't think where we finish will be relevant on whether he comes or not. It might actually be easier for him if we do finish outside of the top 4 because there won't be as much expectation for him to hit the ground running, he will be given permission and an open cheque book to build on what's already here knowing it's almost a sure guarantee we would be pushing for titles within the following season.
Can't see anyone else except Mou or Pep being appointed. What a difference the next 5 years will be depending on which one. Chalk and cheese.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 17:35:36 GMT
Chalk and cheese fair enough but I'm convinced both would be hugely successful in their own way.
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Post by matt on Dec 20, 2015 19:01:34 GMT
Chalk and cheese fair enough but I'm convinced both would be hugely successful in their own way. Yeah me too. Two very different styles, but two managers who have proven they can build practically unbeatable teams. |
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Post by matt on Dec 20, 2015 19:09:44 GMT
Anyway, we will have an answer soon enough. Either LVG turns it around in the next two games, and we wait till the end of the season to discover what happens on the manager front.
Or he is sacked after Stoke or more probably the Chelsea game, and we will have a definite answer of what happens: if we appoint Mourinho, it's because we know Guardiola is joining City or Chelsea, if we appoint Giggs as an interim manager, we may start to think Guardiola is coming our way, or another high profile manager like Simeone, Conte, etc. which I doubt.
I think it will be Mourinho or Guardiola in the end.
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